From: Rick Hohensee <humbubba@smarty.smart.net>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] usage of CPU server
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 03:21:03 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200011020821.DAA12389@smarty.smart.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <019301c0446b$a98aa8c0$0ab9c6d4@cybercable.fr> from "Boyd Roberts" at Nov 2, 0 02:24:35 am
>
> the korn shell is an unmitigated disaster.
>
> i remember korn standing up after the first
> paper at a usenix to ask a question. his
> real agenda was to promote a new release
> of that abortion.
>
> FYI: i put up the first version, back in '83/'84
> at basser. after reading the doc once i
> swore i'd never use it. i use it now,
> 'cos i need history. in a (once) (near)
> perfect world i used byron's rc.
>
> now, the 8th Edition shell, now that was a shell.
>
> as rob once wrote 'programming the inputs'.
>
> 'whatis' over 'type' -- no comparison.
>
> typing of shell variables? give me a break.
> a PRNG in the shell -- don't make me puke.
>
> steve bourne had the right idea. the problem
> was the quoting was a nightmare (one i understand)
> and it had no real grammar. tom duff nailed the
> grammer down with yacc and fixed the quoting -- a
> brilliant piece of insight.
>
> korn reminds me of wnj. he wrote a 'shell' too.
>
>
I don't doubt that there's severe
bletchery in ksh, but it's better than make. IMO.
rc is indeed nice. When abandoning Bourne altogether though,
I then look to Forth. I have put the bulk of the Linux syscalls
in 2 Forths and my 3-stack Forth-like thing. The tricky bit is
reconciling Forth's RPN non-syntax with unix command switches.
This may be ameliorated somewhat by most simple commands becoming
Forth words.
There's strikingly little namespace conflict between a unix PATH
and a Forth dictionary. The only Linux syscall that's also a
Forth word is dup.
Rick Hohensee
Forths and H3sm, tp://linux01.gwdg.de/pub/cLIeNUX/interim
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2000-11-02 8:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2000-11-01 9:53 okamoto
2000-11-01 10:03 ` Lucio De Re
2000-11-01 14:46 ` Rick Hohensee
2000-11-01 15:19 ` nigel
2000-11-02 1:06 ` Rick Hohensee
2000-11-02 1:24 ` Boyd Roberts
2000-11-02 8:21 ` Rick Hohensee [this message]
2000-11-02 17:44 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2000-11-02 7:55 ` Steve Kilbane
2000-11-02 11:25 ` Boyd Roberts
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2000-11-06 13:05 rob pike
2000-11-03 14:56 rob pike
2000-11-03 16:55 ` Elliott Hughes
2000-11-03 18:54 ` Boyd Roberts
2000-11-06 9:44 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2000-11-02 18:02 rob pike
2000-11-03 14:22 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2000-11-02 10:20 forsyth
2000-11-02 10:02 nigel
2000-11-02 16:03 ` Rick Hohensee
2000-11-02 16:27 ` Boyd Roberts
2000-11-01 9:08 forsyth
2000-11-01 7:27 okamoto
2000-11-01 8:21 ` Lucio De Re
2000-11-01 6:03 Russ Cox
2000-11-01 4:09 okamoto
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