* Re: [9fans] Ick, I was not clear, sorry about that
@ 2001-01-11 10:10 okamoto
2001-01-11 10:46 ` Boyd Roberts
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From: okamoto @ 2001-01-11 10:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: plan9
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In those case, we don't use the word "stolen", instead "imported".
Kenji
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From: "Boyd Roberts" <boyd@planete.net>
To: <9fans@cs.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Ick, I was not clear, sorry about that
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:33:54 +0100
Message-ID: <014e01c07bb1$9d8d87e0$0ab9c6d4@cybercable.fr>
> It's in the 11th century, and invented and used by Japanese women.
> It was not "stolen' but invented, because chinese and japanese are
> quite different language.
the kanji were stolen and used to write japanese and
the japanese women developed the kana, from the kanji.
i guess my original sentence may have been a bit ambiguous.
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* [9fans] Ick, I was not clear, sorry about that
@ 2001-01-10 18:07 Laura Creighton
2001-01-10 18:09 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-01-11 9:50 ` ozan s. yigit
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From: Laura Creighton @ 2001-01-10 18:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans; +Cc: lac
When I wrote:
> I am curious as to what font design is like in Japan or other places where
> there is a strong tradition of calligraphy and where letters, like bricks
> or phonemes do not exist. What do Japanese font designers say it takes
> to make a good font?
What I should have written was:
>I think that the insights one finds easy to grasp about what makes writing
>beautiful will be different if you are used to thinking of letters as things
>that have the property of good-things-to-play-scrabble-with, i.e. a few
>arbitrary shapes which represent sounds and nothing else, or if your
>tradition of what is a language is different.
Thus kana -- the ability to render phoenemes is irrelevant. Thanks Boyd.
Laura
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* Re: [9fans] Ick, I was not clear, sorry about that
2001-01-10 18:07 Laura Creighton
@ 2001-01-10 18:09 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-01-11 9:50 ` Ozan Yigit
2001-01-11 9:50 ` ozan s. yigit
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From: Boyd Roberts @ 2001-01-10 18:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> Thus kana -- the ability to render phoenemes is irrelevant.
the kana was derived from the kanji, stolen from the
chinese in the 13th? century. until then the japanese
had no writing system.
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* Re: [9fans] Ick, I was not clear, sorry about that
2001-01-10 18:09 ` Boyd Roberts
@ 2001-01-11 9:50 ` Ozan Yigit
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From: Ozan Yigit @ 2001-01-11 9:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> the kana was derived from the kanji, stolen from the
> chinese in the 13th? century. until then the japanese
> had no writing system.
i think "stolen" is a really bizarre way to put it. adoption of a writing
system usually happens as people of different regions fight, trade and
mingle; it is usually not an act of deliberation...
oz
--
www.cs.yorku.ca/~oz | if you couldn't find any weirdness, maybe
york u. computer science | we'll just have to make some! -- hobbes
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* Re: [9fans] Ick, I was not clear, sorry about that
2001-01-10 18:07 Laura Creighton
2001-01-10 18:09 ` Boyd Roberts
@ 2001-01-11 9:50 ` ozan s. yigit
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From: ozan s. yigit @ 2001-01-11 9:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
boyd@planete.net (Boyd Roberts) writes:
> > Thus kana -- the ability to render phoenemes is irrelevant.
>
> the kana was derived from the kanji, stolen from the
> chinese in the 13th? century. until then the japanese
> had no writing system.
i think "stolen" is a really bizarre way to put it. adoption of a writing
system usually happens as people of different regions fight, trade and
mingle; it is usually not an act of deliberation...
oz
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