From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
From: Dan Cross <cross@math.psu.edu>
Message-Id: <200101262046.PAA15533@augusta.math.psu.edu>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: The problem with SSH2
In-Reply-To: <200101261956.OAA30860@smtp4.fas.harvard.edu>
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:46:21 -0500
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In article <200101261956.OAA30860@smtp4.fas.harvard.edu> you write:
>we're stuck with ssh, but let's not delude
>ourselves into thinking it's a good protocol.

Indeed.

It's that whole ``role model'' thing.  It's hard for someone to design
a good protocol if they don't have good examples to work from.  Same
thing with implementing software.

Most efforts these days are predisposed to poor implementations because
that's the only world that the people doing the implementations know
about; people *have* deluded themselves into thinking that these things
are ``good.''  But look at where this stuff is coming from: Solaris,
Linux, and Windows.

Coincidence?  I think not.

Well designed systems help those that know about them, but aren't even
close to ubiquitous.  Couple that with rabid dogmatism about the
systems they *do* know about, and the situation is grim.

	- Dan C.