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From: Lucio De Re <lucio@proxima.alt.za>
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Subject: Re: [9fans] silly slider tool for rio
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In-Reply-To: <20010308070404.3A5341998A@mail.cse.psu.edu>; from okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp on Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 04:03:35PM +0000
Date: Thu,  8 Mar 2001 09:43:21 +0200
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On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 04:03:35PM +0000, okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp wrote:
> 
> >not faithful followers of the "Cathedral and the Bazaar" religion.
> 
> As I'm not any native English speaker, I don't see why Cathedral and Bazaar 
> is tied with each other here.  ;_;
> 
Eric Raymond's essay "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" suggests that
modern software development is organic rather than architectural.
I think there's truth (Linux) in the suggestion, but my personal
view is that I prefer few (and far between) cathedrals to flea
markets around every corner as is the case in Johannesburg.  So
untidy!  And then there's Pompidou Centre (where's Boyd?!)

> If you are not saying the case of limbo and alef, we can put anything to
> public, I think.   Judging to incorporate it into the next release is depend
> on those who will make distibution.  Even if, unfortunately, it will not be 
> incorporated, you can distribute it separately, and others can select what
> s/he wants.   I think this is very natural...  I prefer controled distribution
> rather than anarchy one, particularly for its core part.
> 
No, Limbo and Alef are anomalies.  So is the 2nd Edition licence.
Vita Nuova have every right to get a return on their investment,
and I'd be right at the head of the queue if I could afford it.
But I'm far more of a coral polyp than Aaro Saarinen or Le Corbusier,
and I'm pleased that small contributions are permissible.

Democracy would demand an open review process, both to encourage
contributions and to protect the unwary from malicious offerings.
And to retain and develop the culture in which the coral would
grow.

> In the case of alef and limbo, it may be difficult to judge, because no one
> can live without money today.  ^_^  Of course, I know limbo and alef are
> different language each other, though.
> 
I always thought Alef characterised Plan 9, so I'm pleased Limbo
defines Inferno.  It is sad that Alef had to be sacrificed to
expedience (I don't mean this in a negative sense) and its lineage
could continue outside the Inferno realm.  It does say something
for "C", though, that it can subsume the Alef properties.

++L