From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 usability From: forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-xgucawtroloxjxznrtimmmrbyx" Message-Id: <20010530091635.C2C28199E9@mail.cse.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:12:39 +0100 Topicbox-Message-UUID: aa78c4f0-eac9-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-xgucawtroloxjxznrtimmmrbyx Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit plan 9 is useful as a standalone system. on the other hand, for what you're doing, you'll need graphics and thus rio to work. the user interface expects it. that's one reason you're already finding it clumsy. there are no cursor addressing editors because there is no cursor addressing (since the system postdates cursor addressed terminals). [all right, there's an emulation of a vt220, but that turns round and uses bitmap graphics to do it.] there are two cut-and-paste editors once graphics is going: acme and sam. meanwhile, during those initial configuration stages without graphics, such as modifying /lib/vgadb if need be, you're limited to ed. similarly, rio windows provide scrolling for larger text units. try `p' to page output until rio is going (and some use p even under rio). AGP devices can work; i use various AGP ATI cards successfully. --upas-xgucawtroloxjxznrtimmmrbyx Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.36]) by lavoro; Wed May 30 09:58:39 BST 2001 Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk id 991212630:10:10755:12; Wed, 30 May 2001 08:50:30 GMT Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121549; 30 May 2001 8:50 GMT Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 63EB019A18; Wed, 30 May 2001 04:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AEA5A199F0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 May 2001 04:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1551Yr-0005x0-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 30 May 2001 09:42:37 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Hermann Samso Message-ID: <9f1n0o$q04$2@newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de> Organization: Universitaet Hannover Subject: [9fans] plan9 usability Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 08:42:33 GMT Hello! How useful is plan9 as standalone system? It will take a little till I can network it to another machine, and I would like to use it mainly for research and programming. As it seems that I won't be able to use any graphics (rio), AGP not being supported, and al... can I do my job working from console alone? Is there any plan for Vesa or standard Vga, SVga support, so as to not rely too much on the hardware. With the speed of todays graphic cards, it should be possible to run rio under Svga/Vesa smoothly. saludos, hermann samso --upas-xgucawtroloxjxznrtimmmrbyx--