i've not used wily, but IMHO there are some places where a unix-based acme clone could never approach the real acme, namely those places where acme leverages the power of plan 9 (e.g. the filesystem interface, and the stuff you can do with a simple shell command under plan 9 which is impossible/extremely involved under unix) much of the power of acme comes from living in happy symbiosis with plan 9 - acme under unix is kind of like a hacked off limb; it looks similar to the original, but won't work so well... > [eg. we had edit interfaces three or was it four years ago :)] presumably by this you mean the named-pipe RPC interface, not the sam command Edit command? (which doesn't seem to be in wily) cheers, rog.