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From: nigel@9fs.org
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] text editor
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:40:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020426124217.40F3019A26@mail.cse.psu.edu> (raw)

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>> it was Tognazzi, in an article reprinted in ``Tog on Interfaces'', who noted
>> that in experiments done by Apple people repeatedly would stoutly maintain
>> they had completed set tasks much faster using commands and keys even though they
>> had just been timed to be significantly faster using the mouse.


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From: forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] text editor
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:41:38 +0100
Message-ID: <20020426114711.BE58F19A29@mail.cse.psu.edu>

normally i try to keep out of these discussions.
i've had my fill for three generations, but this
remark caught my attention:

>>pretty much requires visual feedback.  I.e. you need to watch the
>>screen while you are using it.  Which is bloody inconvenient in a lot

now i'm confused: what are you watching when using ijkl (or whatever it is)?
don't you watch the screen for the position of the text cursor, to
decide where to move next, and to see the effect of your changes?

> slower.  It may be counterintuitive, but I believe it has been shown
> by research, not that I can quote anything.  You have to move your
> hands to get to the cursor keys

it was Tognazzi, in an article reprinted in ``Tog on Interfaces'', who noted
that in experiments done by Apple people repeatedly would stoutly maintain
they had completed set tasks much faster using commands and keys even though they
had just been timed to be significantly faster using the mouse.

the interesting bit was the suspected cause.  it wasn't the
hand movements (you might need to do that for both interfaces).
i haven't got the book to hand so i'll give a bad summary.
(To see the correct explanation, buy the book and support ageing interface designers.)
it was something like this: the use of keys+commands
required a higher level of mental planning to organise the interaction,
which apparently obscures the perception of the passage of time--think
of being deeply engaged in something and being surprised when you look at a clock--
whereas the use of the mouse was done at a lower, mechanical level that
left the mind free for higher things, such as complaining about the mouse.
(Tog's article is more interesting and less flippant.)

             reply	other threads:[~2002-04-26 12:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-04-26 12:40 nigel [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-04-29  9:36 Andrew Simmons
2002-04-26 17:31 Russ Cox
2002-04-26 14:52 anothy
2002-04-26 16:59 ` peter huang
2002-04-26 14:10 Russ Cox
2002-04-26 10:27 ` Sam Hopkins
2002-04-29  9:40 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-04-26 13:40 forsyth
2002-04-26 13:27 presotto
2002-04-26 12:46 bwc
2002-04-26 16:33 ` mcguire
2002-04-30  1:54   ` chad
2002-04-26 11:41 forsyth
2002-04-26 11:39 rog
2002-04-26 11:45 ` Boyd Roberts
2002-04-26 10:45 nigel
2002-04-26 11:04 ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-26 10:22 nigel
2002-04-26 11:15 ` Boyd Roberts
2002-04-26 11:25   ` Boyd Roberts
2002-04-26 16:06   ` Ronald G Minnich
2002-04-26 10:11 rog
2002-04-26 23:30 ` Micah Stetson
2002-04-26  9:49 nigel
2002-04-26 10:21 ` Alexander Viro
2002-04-26 11:38   ` Michael Grunditz
2002-04-26 20:35   ` Dan Cross
2002-04-29  9:40     ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-04-29  9:36 ` Andrew Stitt
2002-04-29 15:58   ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-04-26  8:47 Andrew Stitt

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