i've used Wily for quite a bit (although not for a good while now) and found the differences and inconsistancies to be really painful. i imagine it'd still be a good step up for someone not already familiar with acme. the acme-in-inferno-on-unix solution is one i use occasionally now (since i'm only occasionally at a unix box) and really like. since my unix boxes are generally remote, i edit files on them most of the time by 9fs'ing (using u9fs on the unix box) and running acme. occasionally i have to edit files on a box i don't admin (and thus can't put u9fs on), and sam -r works well for that. even that's somewhat awkward (to be polite) now... i _really_ miss acme's mouse chording. ア