From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: andrey mirtchovski To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs administration: how do people update multi-user fs? In-Reply-To: <3E4D2482.3020204@nas.com> Message-ID: <20030214101950.L56261@fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> References: <3E4D2482.3020204@nas.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:28:11 -0700 Topicbox-Message-UUID: 5fff7ee4-eacb-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, Jack Johnson wrote: > It also seems like increased usage of chrooted/jailed services has made > things slightly better, even though it's still privileged, and yes, > still a mess. > > Are there better ways? [snip] It was pointed to me recently that after ten years of mulling with the implementation of "proper" jail/chroot environment (i.e. one that is not trivially b0rken) the FreeBSD security people have arrived at the conclusion that "something akin to Plan9's private namespaces may not be a bad idea"... Indeed it takes time, but sooner or later Linux/*BSD will adopt the ideas from Plan9 (some they have already -- devfs comes as an example). We need to do something before that time comes, otherwise no matter how bad their implementations are, everybody will say "well, I use linux because it's good enough" and everything will be lost... andrey ps: In a recent conversation I heard a person say "I can't for the life of me figure out how to play [some brand spanking new video format] in Windows! In Linux it just works." Times have changed, haven't they?