From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-Id: <200305181515.h4IFFE525072@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: Free Plan 9 "shell" accounts? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 18 May 2003 09:44:20 CDT." From: Dan Cross Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 11:15:14 -0400 Topicbox-Message-UUID: afa452d0-eacb-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 > > ...and this is why. We can't expect anything but an attack after > > questioning your views. This isn't a particularly good way to advance > > your argument or start dialogue, Jim. > > Pot, kettle, black. I don't understand. I'm trying to engage in dialogue with you, and all I get back are insults, a condescending attitude, and flames. It's been like this since you showed up on 9fans, as far as I can tell. > > > > Yes. It's executing on that machine. > > > > > > No, only -part of it is 'on that machine'. Your archaic viewpoint is > > > showing. > > > > So, what's missing? You keep cutting off my statements. Here's the rest: It's memory image is stored on that machine: all the program text, data, and the stack; the processor state including the PSL and all the machine registers, etc is local. Even the I/O devices it does I/O through are local. The fact that it gets the data it manipulates from someplace else isn't relevant to the fact that it's running on that machine. Then you go on to say: > Per process namespace (THE most important distinction) Which is part of where it gets the data it manipulates. Again, that's irrelevant to the idea of a program executing on a computer. > processes running on other processors besides the cpu on the diskless > workstation with shared namespaces that are not tied to any of the processors > the processes are running on (the second most important distinction), Same. > transitive mounts of not only files but hardware (the third most important > distinction). Same. > "If all you know is a hammer, then everything looks like a nail." If you want to change the definition of what ``hammer'' means because you're confused about what a hammer is, you're going to be in for a rough time. It's obvious we're talking at cross-purposes here. - Dan C.