From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-Id: <200306191950.h5JJol706204@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] The new ridiculous license In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:24:31 PDT." <200306191924.h5JJOW3P045475@mailserver3.hushmail.com> From: Dan Cross Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:50:46 -0400 Topicbox-Message-UUID: d1bc8e96-eacb-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 > > Ugh. I feel like Charlie Brown. ``Why's everybody always > > picking on me?'' > > good grief. Heh. Good one. > > Really? Why? Can you point out something specific I said that > > you think is ignorant? Perhaps that I expressed doubt in the > > OpenBSD team? That's only after eight years of watching the > > various BSD projects go about doing what they do. > > it sounds like you either have some personal beef with the > development team, or no experience with BSD unix. the openbsd > team should be commended for their hard work, their os is one > of the best choices out there. I think you missed the part where I talked about 8 years of watching the various BSD projects. I didn't mention using BSD on various RISC and CISC machines prior to the introduction of the `free' varients. I actually have quite a lot of experience with BSD Unix, having run it almost exclusively for about five years on various hardware platforms. What I saw was the systems become more complex, more bloated, and more difficult to maintain; often gratuitously so. Then the developers patted themselves on the back. No progress there; everyone had forgotten the lessons they learned in the 70's and early 80's. Having looked at the source code for OpenBSD, I'm hessitant to commend them for their hard work. They do work hard, but they'd be better off if they worked smarter instead. Also, OpenBSD might be one of the best choices for OS's out there (why?) but in a field starved for competition, that's not saying too much. But this is all rather far afield from Plan 9. > > If you disagree with my impression that's fine, but my opinion > > stands. > > opinions that are not based on fact don't count. As stated above, the opinions are based on fact; often facts that predate Net/2. I could site specific examples, if you like; feel free to ping me off the list about them. - Dan C.