From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Cc: hangar18-general@open-forge.org, hell@einstein.ssz.com Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: The new ridiculous license Message-ID: <20030620190617.B2250@cackle.proxima.alt.za> References: <20030620161513.Z2250@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: ; from Jim Choate on Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 11:44:09AM -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:06:18 +0200 Topicbox-Message-UUID: d3e3e110-eacb-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 11:44:09AM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > > Why is Lucent an easy target if their license is strong in the warranty > and expectations department backed up by law? > Because litigation does not have to have its foundations in "right". Your very approach to this mailing list is an example of the type of behaviour Lucent is understandably concerned with. > Lucent is motivated by basic self preservation, unfortunately they find > themselves (like many business) stuck at the fork in the road. Unsure of > which branch to take. The failure of modern relativism/pragmatism, no > underlying principles deeper than 'it works'. > You forget that Lucent don't have to give anything away. It is left to the Plan 9 community (in a large sense) to justify a trust that has, as you point out, never been tested. > That branch is a opportunity for new enterprises and efforts. > But it still does not provide Lucent with the incentive to give up something and risk being nailed to the cross in return. That bit of generosity has long gone out of fashion, if it ever was in fashion. > When would you like to connect your cluster to the H18 cluster? Rob and I > happen to be doing a rebuild this afternoon. How many processors? What > sort of 'user access' policy do you intend to apply? What sort of feed do > you have (it needs to be 24/365 w/ at least one dedicated IP and the > ability to operate servers)? What sort of filesystem resources? Any Linux, > BSD, MS, Mac, etc. machines included? > I'm at the far end of a 9600 bps conneciton to the Internet, with NAT and packet filtering in five directions at our firewall. All this at the discretion and thanks to the generosity of my main client. Are you still interested in my 8-node network? > We're in particular looking for another node to support IRC as well as act > as a secondary subscription point for the H18 mailing list (we're going to > use the distributed mailing list system like the Cypherpunks use). > Because I certainly am not :-) > I assume of course that you have your wireless AP ready to go? Specs and > policies please? What country/state/city are you in? What's your > URL/homepage for the members list? > From South Africa? Moonbounce, perhaps? > Any particular special projects or interests that you'd like to share? > Yes, combining CVS and Fossil into something both the Plan 9 "dump" users and my benefactors in the NetBSD camp can make use of. > The offer is open to any of the rest of you folks. > Pity you have such a narrow conception of the reality beyond the walls of your hangar. ++L