From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: George Michaelson To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] pop3 before smtp Message-Id: <20030711053303.2340e439.ggm@apnic.net> In-Reply-To: <4A1AFDDC-B30B-11D7-8B4D-000393D34A62@orthanc.ab.ca> References: <84150e2849766508075303e166ffc9ed@plan9.bell-labs.com> <4A1AFDDC-B30B-11D7-8B4D-000393D34A62@orthanc.ab.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 05:33:03 +1000 Topicbox-Message-UUID: f3b9633e-eacb-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 probably the same twisted logic which prevented people implementing 'turn please' in the same protocol. oh hang on, that WAS a security risk, wasn't it... I believe it was Charles Forsyth who pointed out to me S(imple) MTP didn't make much sense when the paper printout of the RFC was 1/2 an inch thick. in marketing terms, I suspect embedded sender security would be popular. I use a mailer called 'sylpheed' which is a GUI frontend to MH, and it does STARTTLS in its choices, and does it even if you don't want it, if the upstream SMTP server demands it. So maybe there is some sanity emerging. -George