From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] spam rejection after reception does have limits Message-ID: <20030928131850.O27821@cackle.proxima.alt.za> References: <20030928101050.J27821@cackle.proxima.alt.za> <020001c3859e$d209f220$b9844051@insultant.net> <20030928114226.L27821@cackle.proxima.alt.za> <029301c385ae$4a244300$b9844051@insultant.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <029301c385ae$4a244300$b9844051@insultant.net>; from boyd, rounin on Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 12:50:09PM +0200 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:18:50 +0200 Topicbox-Message-UUID: 52c03f24-eacc-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 12:50:09PM +0200, boyd, rounin wrote: > > now is all ISPs enforced the rule that the MGRS coords of the > ISP or the sender were added as the standard sig at least > you could call in a JDAM on them, but this is very open to > blue-on-blue man-in-the-middle attacks. > -- > MGRS 31U DQ 52579 12613 ICBMs? :-) :-) There's a definite need for delegation of authority with associated acceptance of responsibility in the sender-exchanger relationship. ISPs have rules about use, but enforcement by severance is inadequate. I maintain that the solution has to involve punishment, probably to the point where the few that are caught will have to pay on behalf of those who get away. Our recent legislation (in South Africa) attempted to address the problem, but lacked the understanding (oops, I'm doing a Choate here) to arrive at a sensible product (the ECT Act is online somewhere, but it's frightfully irritating in its ability to get close to bone without quite ever making it, mail me and I'll look for it). What I found immensely annoying is that no one was able to provide sensible alternatives to even the most inappropriate sections of the Act. And it's not through lack of interest, it just seemed impossible to formulate in legislative terms what was technologically obvious. And I don't exclude myself from the list of attempts. There is a serious communication gap between technologists and users and it looks insurmountable. Let's not ignore that in our quest. ++L