From: Dan Cross <cross@math.psu.edu>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what?
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:54:45 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200312090454.hB94skl24638@augusta.math.psu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 08 Dec 2003 20:02:56 PST." <b1d88ffde415a2a9ad07345a8534a4bc@collyer.net>
What Scott said. My concerns here stem from my days as a Lunix system
administrator, and the difficulty of keeping localized changes straight
in the face of vendor changes; RCS, though used, didn't do everything,
because vendors started making necessary changes that simply checking a
file out from RCS would overwrite. All the diffing and patching became
tedious; multiplying that over hundreds of machines with different
functions in tens of different administrative domains quickly leads to
a lot of tedious work. While Plan 9's architecture really attenuates
the problem, I'd like to try and eliminate it.
This isn't Unix; there's only one vendor. As for division of
change-authority (for lack of a better term), it's really simple:
anything with the name local in it is off limits for any `vendors' (ie,
Bell Labs). Everything else is `change at your own peril' for everyone
else. Create /dist/replica/defaults, that tries to dot
/dist/replica/defaults.local. Problem solved.
It could be argued that the proliferation of hacks Geoff mentions in
Lunix-land happened because no one ever had a decent convention that
allowed for a clear seperation of authority between vendors and sites.
We have an opportunity with Plan 9 to try and do it right, and we
should. Rob's paper on the death of systems research lists system
administration as a problem area worthy of investigation; instead of
sticking our collective heads in the sand and pretending this is a
non-problem, let's tackle it head on and figure out a good way to
address it. Is all the .local stuff perfect? No, not really, and the
warnings are good, because they give us perspective. But, what's a
better alternative? I'm all eyes.
- Dan C.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-12-09 4:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-12-08 12:48 David Presotto
2003-12-08 15:10 ` andrey mirtchovski
2003-12-08 16:21 ` David Presotto
2003-12-08 19:30 ` Dan Cross
2003-12-08 21:14 ` david presotto
2003-12-08 22:20 ` Dan Cross
2003-12-09 0:55 ` David Presotto
2003-12-09 1:20 ` Russ Cox
2003-12-09 1:29 ` Dan Cross
2003-12-09 1:36 ` Russ Cox
2003-12-09 3:00 ` Dan Cross
2003-12-09 4:02 ` Geoff Collyer
2003-12-09 3:44 ` mirtchov
2003-12-09 4:10 ` Scott Schwartz
2003-12-07 9:59 ` Charles Forsyth
2003-12-07 10:28 ` Charles Forsyth
2003-12-09 4:33 ` Geoff Collyer
2003-12-09 4:54 ` Dan Cross [this message]
2003-12-09 7:47 ` okamoto
2003-12-09 11:23 ` a
2003-12-09 12:12 ` boyd, rounin
2003-12-09 18:33 ` splite
2003-12-09 19:23 ` Brantley Coile
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-12-09 7:55 YAMANASHI Takeshi
2003-12-09 13:49 ` David Presotto
2003-12-08 11:36 Tiit Lankots
2003-12-08 14:51 ` ron minnich
2003-12-08 15:00 ` Russ Cox
2003-12-08 10:08 Sujan Gautam
2003-12-08 13:53 ` mirtchov
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