From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: George Michaelson To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Cc: forsyth@terzarima.net Subject: Re: SMTP+SPF (was: [9fans] Re: new release?) Message-Id: <20040226181405.57d2f608@garlic> In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:14:05 +1000 Topicbox-Message-UUID: f8aa53c0-eacc-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 Sorry about that. keystroke error. for my sins, I work for a regional Internet registry (RIR) and I can assure you we cop as much flak about these bastards as you do. we administer network address space up at the top, and unfortunately see entire /8 of network cut off, because of faulty record keeping by one /24 down at the bottom. the RBL people are scum sucking bottom feeders, only one level up from virus scanner authors (who themselves spam us into heat-death) -nasty, brutish, short little squirts who think legalistic bombast about RFC compliance legitimates what they do. they don't give a flying fart about end users who rarely if ever have an ability to 'fix' the RBL ops perceived problems. (sometimes, the problems vest with bodies like the one I work for. for that, I am of course sorry. we need to improve our record keeping and try to improve on compliance issues with holders of address space.) various people perpetuate filters in their routers 'to cut off Chinese spam' despite the address block they filter also being used in NZ, or AU, or JP. I recommend you to think about using SSH/SSL secured tunnels to get out of home space, dynamic or static, and send via other paths. Its what I do, and while I hate the double-hop cost, and the delay, it means I'm not exposed to this stupidity. if you work for somebody with fat lawyer chequebooks, go and sue the RBL ops. it worked for ORBS. -George