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From: Boris Maryshev <boris.maroshev@itcollege.ee>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] (no subject)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:36:10 +0300
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On Tuesday 27 July 2004 13:54, Steve Simon wrote:
> > I think because this is Plan 9 fans list, not Linux mailing list? =E2=
=98=BA
What's collaboration in Plan 9 way, then? Bashing Linux all together?
>
> Aw, no fair.
>
> I was disturbed by David and Russ leaving the labs, and I am
> worried that the 9fans community is losing momentum - perhaps
> there are many great projects under way but I don't hear of them.
They pop-up here from time-to-time. It's just that they pop-up only here...
>
> It has been said before, the limited of support plan9 gets
> in the world is partly due to its steep learning curve, and
> partly the lack of "standard" applications.
Like what application?
>
> Writing a web browser difficult, we all agree, however editing the
> wiki to make it more up to date, accurate and helpfull is easy
> (and yes I have been).
Maybe writing a web browser, or office suite or anything like this is not t=
he=20
interesting area to work on with Plan 9? Maybe it'd be more interesting to=
=20
study Plan 9's distributed nature and invent new things on top of it? What=
=20
about putting httpd working in a 9grid and distributing load between nodes,=
=20
which might be located worldwide (Akamai would be happy...)?
>
> -Steve
I wouldn't say "steep learning curve" either. It was made following KISS=20
principle, remember? I'd say, that the hurdle comes when you try to make it=
=20
work on an unsupported hardware and fail. So what we need are not=20
"applications", but better support for hardware. And new ideas exploiting=20
Plan 9's philosophy.

boris
=2D-=20
But in our enthusiasm, we could not resist a radical overhaul of the
system, in which all of its major weaknesses have been exposed,
analyzed, and replaced with new weaknesses.
		-- Bruce Leverett,
		"Register Allocation in Optimizing Compilers"