From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <20051207161905.76531.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:19:05 -0800 From: Kenneth Long To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <7a37a26f6bbbb62338db29f42756a1ec@plan9.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: [9fans] BfQGT Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Message-UUID: bce764be-ead0-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --- Postmaster@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > I've been getting so much junk mail that I'm > resorting to > a draconian mechanism to avoid the spam. In order > to make sure that there's a real person sending > mail, I'm > asking you to explicitly enable access. To do that, >=20 > resend your message (or send a new message) to > pb@plan9.bell-labs.com with the token: > BfQGT > in the subject of your mail message. After that, > you > shouldn't get any bounces from me. Sorry if this is > an inconvenience. >=20 > ---------------- > Original message > ---------------- > Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by > plan9; Wed Dec 7 10:54:40 EST 2005 > Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost > [127.0.0.1]) > by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id > 70A3D5B725 > for <9fans-local@plan9.bell-labs.com>; Wed, 7 Dec > 2005 10:54:36 -0500 (EST) > X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id > B70025B6FE > for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:54:09 > -0500 (EST) > Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) > by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, > port 10024) with LMTP > id 11165-01-82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; > Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:54:06 -0500 (EST) > Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown > [213.146.155.10]) > by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id > EA78B5B6FC > for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:54:05 > -0500 (EST) > Message-ID: > > From: C H Forsyth > Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:53:19 +0000 > To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Subject: Re: [9fans] const > In-Reply-To: > <16513104bf876d67dcbb094b8f545d54@proxima.alt.za> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; > boundary=3D"upas-rolofcrqpudavkzmcuqbdfysgg" > X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu > Cc:=20 > X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 > Precedence: list > Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > <9fans@cse.psu.edu> > List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > <9fans.cse.psu.edu> > List-Unsubscribe: > , >=20 > > List-Archive: > > List-Post: > List-Help: > > List-Subscribe: > , >=20 > > Sender: > 9fans-bounces+9fans-local=3Dplan9.bell-labs.com@cse.psu.edu > Errors-To: > 9fans-bounces+9fans-local=3Dplan9.bell-labs.com@cse.psu.edu >=20 > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --upas-rolofcrqpudavkzmcuqbdfysgg > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >=20 > >>list of GCC is often borne out there, one has to > grant that avr-gcc is > >>a dramatically superior product to any other > offering for the target > >>CPU. >=20 > that's funny. before i read it, i was just about to > observe that our Atmel compiler > based on Plan 9's puts tables in program flash > without any hints. > const alone wouldn't help anyway because the memory > is accessed > using special instructions so the compiler and > linker need to do > more analysis. otherwise the compiler does > reasonable well given > that the chip is really an 8-bit micro. i think > the loader zl helps zc in some cases, and also > monitors stack sizes. > it was important that the FFT and CC1000 > tables go in program memory to save limited RAM, > although that feature was added fairly late. > we needed the atmel compiler for some work on motes. > i looked at gcc for it a bit initially whilst > waiting for ours > but started to throw things or throw up; i can't > remember which. > --upas-rolofcrqpudavkzmcuqbdfysgg > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > Content-Disposition: inline >=20 > Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by > doppio; > Wed Dec 7 15:28:14 GMT 2005 > Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost > [127.0.0.1]) > by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id > 1B7255B90A > for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 > 10:28:34 -0500 (EST) > X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id > AC1C05B306 > for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:27:57 > -0500 (EST) > Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) > by localhost (psuvax1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, > port 10024) with LMTP > id 11165-01-29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; > Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:27:53 -0500 (EST) > Received: from meddle.iba.co.za > (meddle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.147]) > by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id > A6F1063078 > for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:27:50 > -0500 (EST) > Message-ID: > <16513104bf876d67dcbb094b8f545d54@proxima.alt.za> > To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Subject: Re: [9fans] const > From: Lucio De Re > Organization: Proxima Research & Development > X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail > X-Disclaimer: Everything expressed is an opinion > Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:30:42 +0200 > In-Reply-To: > <59f07a0382a6955f607b8d9c97fde230@quintile.net> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu > X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 > Precedence: list > Reply-To: Lucio De Re , > Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > <9fans@cse.psu.edu> > List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > <9fans.cse.psu.edu> > List-Unsubscribe: > , >=20 > > List-Archive: > > List-Post: > List-Help: > > List-Subscribe: > , >=20 > > Sender: > 9fans-bounces+forsyth=3Dvitanuova.com@cse.psu.edu > Errors-To: > 9fans-bounces+forsyth=3Dvitanuova.com@cse.psu.edu >=20 > > To cap this the last time I did use a 16bit cpu > and tried to do this, > > examination of the assembly proved the (name > deleted) compiler was too > > dumb to take advantage. >=20 > Now, irrespective of which compiler Steve is > referring to... >=20 > In the delusion that I may have to migrate to > embedded systems when my > luck with system and network administration runs > out, I follow the > traffic on the avr-gcc mailing list. 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