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From: Bakul Shah <bakul+plan9@bitblocks.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] gcc on plan9
Date: Fri,  9 Jun 2006 15:22:22 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060609222222.E4AFD294C1@mail.bitblocks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 09 Jun 2006 23:33:06 +0200." <8ccc8ba40606091433x10906535x6ade0c3f4ce7a199@mail.gmail.com>

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> > Lisp machines/environments did this 25+ years ago.
> > Everything is an s-expression is even more fun than
> > everything is a file!
> 
> I don´t agree. The problem with lisp is that you don´t have
> protection. Didn´t you manage to bring down the whole emacs
> by, say, implementing your CD player in elisp?. Now, in
> Plan 9 processes are really isolated. If one of them crashes, the other
> ones stay alive (Probably).

Isolation by MMU is a separate issue.  If you wish you can
think of a Lisp machine as analogous to Inferno, with Lisp as
its virtual machine language!  Also Lisp machine != emacs.
In any case even you admit (with your parenthetical
"Probably") that while at process level there is isolation
you can still run into trouble as there may be higher level
dependencies.

> I mean, you have "red lines" that protect you. I wouldn´t throw away
> my MMU, just for protection.

I understand that well.  My point was only that what Roman
wanted was already available 25+ years ago; not that it was
perfect -- too bad that branch got pruned too early.

In any case Plan 9 and LM are still like working under the
hood or playing with legos.  If you just want to drive your
lego car soon you discover they don't make great cars (even
great toy cars).


  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-06-09 22:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 243+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-07 17:58 Corey
2006-06-07 18:24 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-07 18:50   ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 18:55     ` William Josephson
2006-06-07 20:12       ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 20:20         ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-07 20:42           ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 20:44         ` William Josephson
2006-06-07 21:00           ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 19:05     ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-07 20:13       ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 20:48         ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-07 21:04           ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08  6:42             ` Roman Shaposhnik
2006-06-08  7:00               ` Iruatã Souza (muzgo)
2006-06-07 19:48   ` Corey
2006-06-07 20:16     ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 20:26       ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-07 20:43         ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08  5:49           ` lucio
2006-06-07 18:57 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2006-06-07 19:55   ` Corey
2006-06-07 20:46     ` rog
2006-06-07 21:07       ` Corey
2006-06-07 21:16         ` Christoph Lohmann
2006-06-07 21:25           ` Rodolfo (kix)
2006-06-07 21:50             ` Corey
2006-06-07 21:54               ` David Leimbach
2006-06-07 21:56               ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 22:06               ` Lluís Batlle i Rossell
2006-06-07 22:16                 ` David Leimbach
2006-06-07 22:31                   ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2006-06-07 22:33                     ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08  9:44                       ` Victor Nazarov
2006-06-09 21:13                   ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-08  1:28                 ` quanstro
2006-06-09 13:12                   ` Lluís Batlle
2006-06-09 13:21                     ` quanstro
2006-06-09 13:47                       ` Lluís Batlle
2006-06-07 23:04               ` geoff
2006-06-07 23:10                 ` Steve Simon
2006-06-08  0:22                   ` Bakul Shah
2006-06-08  0:27                   ` geoff
2006-06-08  3:31                   ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08 15:04                     ` David Leimbach
2006-06-08 15:20                       ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 23:15                 ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-06-08  0:17                   ` geoff
2006-06-09 21:15                   ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-09 21:26                     ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-06-09 21:27                       ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-06-09 21:34                       ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-09 21:38                         ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-06-09 21:44                           ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-06-10  6:57                         ` "Nils O. Selåsdal"
2006-06-08  1:58                 ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-08  0:53                   ` geoff
2006-06-08  1:07                     ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-08  1:15                       ` quanstro
2006-06-08 15:02                         ` David Leimbach
2006-06-09  4:04                           ` quanstro
2006-06-08  1:22                       ` geoff
2006-06-08  1:25                         ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-09 21:21                           ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-09 21:27                             ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-08 14:59                         ` David Leimbach
2006-06-09  4:05                           ` quanstro
2006-06-08  1:39                       ` [9fans] quantity vs. quality Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-06-08  3:05                         ` Dan Cross
2006-06-08  3:44                           ` Joel Salomon
2006-06-08  7:03                             ` Roman Shaposhnik
2006-06-09 22:03                           ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-09 22:44                             ` David Leimbach
2006-06-09 22:46                               ` quanstro
2006-06-09 22:51                               ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-09 22:55                                 ` quanstro
2006-06-09 23:19                                   ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-09 23:29                                     ` quanstro
2006-06-10  1:57                                       ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-09 23:51                                         ` quanstro
2006-06-10  0:10                                           ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-10  2:31                                             ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-10  0:45                                               ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-10  3:01                                                 ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-10  0:52                                                   ` quanstro
2006-06-10  1:04                                                   ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-10 23:13                                                 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-11  0:44                                                   ` quanstro
2006-06-11  5:08                                                     ` lucio
2006-06-11 10:09                                                       ` quanstro
2006-06-11 12:00                                                         ` lucio
2006-06-11 22:59                                                           ` quanstro
2006-06-11 23:26                                                           ` geoff
2006-06-12  3:45                                                             ` Paul Lalonde
2006-06-12 20:16                                                               ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-12 20:23                                                                 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-12 20:56                                                                   ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-12 21:09                                                                     ` Victor Nazarov
2006-06-13  0:05                                                                     ` Roman Shaposhnik
2006-06-12 21:15                                                                 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2006-06-13 12:08                                                                   ` rog
2006-06-13 16:34                                                                     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-06-13 21:35                                                                       ` "Nils O. Selåsdal"
2006-06-14 22:09                                                                     ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-15 15:46                                                                       ` Victor Nazarov
2006-06-11  5:42                                                   ` Russ Cox
2006-06-11 10:08                                                     ` quanstro
2006-06-12  1:03                                                   ` Roman Shaposhnik
2006-06-10 23:05                                               ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-11  0:00                                                 ` quanstro
2006-06-10  0:24                                           ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-06-10  0:36                                             ` quanstro
2006-06-10  2:27                                           ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-10  0:23                                             ` quanstro
2006-06-10  0:41                                               ` Paul Lalonde
2006-06-10  0:59                                                 ` quanstro
2006-06-10  1:15                                                   ` Paul Lalonde
2006-06-10  5:19                                                     ` Bruce Ellis
2006-06-10  2:51                                               ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-10  0:45                                                 ` quanstro
2006-06-10  3:10                                                   ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-10  0:53                                                     ` quanstro
2006-06-10 23:06                                               ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-10 23:15                                                 ` geoff
2006-06-11  2:58                                                 ` jmk
2006-06-10 23:04                                           ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-11  0:05                                             ` quanstro
2006-06-10 23:03                                       ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-09 23:25                                 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-09 23:38                                   ` David Leimbach
2006-06-09 23:45                                     ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-06-09 23:46                                     ` Paul Lalonde
2006-06-10 23:03                                       ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-10 23:02                                     ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-11  0:12                                       ` quanstro
2006-06-11  2:20                                         ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-11 22:31                                       ` David Leimbach
2006-06-10  0:28                               ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-09 21:29                         ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-09 21:34                           ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-06-08  1:49                   ` [9fans] gcc on plan9 Ignacio Torres Masdeu
2006-06-08 14:10                 ` David Leimbach
2006-06-09  4:09                   ` quanstro
2006-06-09  5:25                     ` David Leimbach
2006-06-07 22:39           ` Corey
2006-06-07 22:49             ` Paul Lalonde
2006-06-07 23:17               ` Corey
2006-06-07 23:37                 ` Paul Lalonde
2006-06-08  0:50                   ` quanstro
2006-06-08  1:16                     ` John Barham
2006-06-08 14:51                     ` David Leimbach
2006-06-09  4:49                       ` ems
2006-06-09 12:07                       ` quanstro
2006-06-09 19:17                       ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-09 21:27                         ` Bakul Shah
2006-06-09 21:33                           ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2006-06-09 21:39                             ` quanstro
2006-06-09 21:56                               ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2006-06-09 22:01                                 ` quanstro
2006-06-09 22:17                                   ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2006-06-09 22:35                                     ` quanstro
2006-06-09 22:22                             ` Bakul Shah [this message]
2006-06-09 22:30                               ` quanstro
2006-06-09 23:22                                 ` Bakul Shah
2006-06-10 13:51                                 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2006-06-10 23:21                                   ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-11  0:07                                     ` LiteStar numnums
2006-06-10  0:00                               ` Harri Haataja
2006-06-10  0:03                                 ` Bruce Ellis
2006-06-10  1:00                               ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-10  4:37                                 ` Iruatã Souza (muzgo)
2006-06-12  0:35                                   ` Roman Shaposhnik
2006-06-09 21:43                           ` quanstro
2006-06-10 12:43                           ` rog
2006-06-07 22:56             ` Christoph Lohmann
2006-06-07 23:08               ` Dan Cross
2006-06-07 23:32                 ` Federico G. Benavento
2006-06-07 23:48                   ` Dan Cross
2006-06-08  0:32               ` Corey
2006-06-08  1:04                 ` jmk
2006-06-08  3:35                   ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08  3:51                     ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08  4:07                       ` Roman Shaposhnik
2006-06-08  5:19                         ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08  6:07                           ` Federico G. Benavento
2006-06-08 17:45                           ` Micah Stetson
2006-06-08 18:54                             ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08 18:55                             ` Iruatã Souza (muzgo)
2006-06-08 18:56                               ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-06-08 19:01                                 ` Iruatã Souza (muzgo)
2006-06-09 19:56                           ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-09 22:19                             ` quanstro
2006-06-09 23:19                               ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08  4:11                       ` Paul Lalonde
2006-06-08  5:25                       ` ems
2006-06-08  5:43                         ` Simon Williams
2006-06-08  6:09                           ` Bruce Ellis
2006-07-16 15:17                         ` ASCII Glenda (was Re: [9fans] gcc on plan9) csant
2006-07-16 22:17                           ` e.c.sharpe
2006-07-16 22:37                             ` Jack Johnson
2006-07-17  8:35                               ` Rodolfo (kix)
2006-06-08  1:06                 ` [9fans] gcc on plan9 geoff
2006-06-08  1:21                   ` quanstro
2006-06-08 10:15                   ` Victor Nazarov
2006-06-08  9:40             ` Lluís Batlle
2006-06-08 15:55               ` Corey
2006-06-08 22:48                 ` Fred Wade
2006-06-08 23:08     ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-08 23:51       ` Corey
2006-06-07 20:46 ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-07 19:07   ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-07 19:17     ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-07 19:26       ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-07 19:35         ` Brantley Coile
2006-06-07 20:15           ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 20:32             ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-07 19:47         ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-07 20:00           ` Corey
2006-06-07 20:13           ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-07 20:40             ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08  6:49               ` Roman Shaposhnik
2006-06-07 21:21       ` Christoph Lohmann
2006-06-07 21:49         ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 22:50           ` Dan Cross
2006-06-08  7:08 cej
2006-06-08  9:18 ` quanstro
2006-06-08 11:58   ` rog
2006-06-09  4:20     ` quanstro
2006-06-08 17:20 ` Corey
2006-06-09  4:00   ` quanstro
2006-06-09 12:40     ` Corey
2006-06-09 13:15       ` quanstro
2006-06-09 15:10         ` Corey
2006-06-09 15:27           ` C H Forsyth
2006-06-09 15:39             ` David Leimbach
2006-06-09 15:37           ` quanstro
2006-06-09 14:52       ` lucio
2006-06-09 18:42         ` quanstro
2006-06-09 21:12           ` David Leimbach
2006-06-10  5:28           ` lucio
2006-06-10  1:36       ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-10 16:32         ` David Leimbach
2006-06-08  7:24 cej

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