From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <20060917122137.35237.qmail@web60224.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 05:21:37 -0700 From: tushar mahule To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-818768666-1158495697=:33674" Subject: [9fans] Ideas??? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: b7c25704-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --0-818768666-1158495697=:33674 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there.... I'm new to plan 9. I am in the Final year of my bachelor's degree and i wanted to know that = is there any idea or anything in plan 9, which i can take up as a Final Y= ear Project. I mean, it'll be like i get to do something nw and also will be able to g= ive it back to open source... Please, do suggest me somethhing... which is feasible to be done in 5-6 months... "Argue for your limitations... And sure enough, they are yours!" =20 =09 --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.=20 --0-818768666-1158495697=:33674 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there....
I'm new to plan 9.
I am in the Final year of my bachel= or's degree and i wanted to know that is there any idea or anything in pl= an 9, which i can take up as a Final Year Project.

I mean, it'll b= e like i get to do something nw and also will be able to give it back to = open source...

Please, do suggest me somethhing...
which is fea= sible to be done in 5-6 months...




"Argue for your limitations...=
&nb= sp;      And sure enough, they are yours!"
 =                &nbs= p;              = ;   

Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check i= t out.=20 --0-818768666-1158495697=:33674-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <79baf1e5c5b496e8e5e57563fec19da4@mail.gmx.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ideas??? From: "Sascha Retzki" Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 14:24:46 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20060917122137.35237.qmail@web60224.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: b7ca2c9a-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > I mean, it'll be like i get to do something nw and also will be able to give it back to open source... > graphicssupport for acme! :) From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <20060917122856.10715.qmail@web60218.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 05:28:56 -0700 From: tushar mahule Subject: Re: [9fans] Ideas??? To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <79baf1e5c5b496e8e5e57563fec19da4@mail.gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-392224523-1158496136=:9840" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: b7d1c59a-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --0-392224523-1158496136=:9840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Sascha Retzki, for such a immediate reply... But, i'm more interested to do memory, drivers etc. I also wanted to know how good it would be if i do something like a profi= ler for a subset of functionalities for plan 9??? Sascha Retzki wrote:=20 > I mean, it'll be like i get to do something nw and also will be able to= give it back to open source... >=20 graphicssupport for acme! :) "Argue for your limitations... And sure enough, they are yours!" =20 =09 --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rat= es starting at 1=A2/min. --0-392224523-1158496136=:9840 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Sascha Retzki, for such a immediate reply...

= But, i'm more interested to do memory, drivers etc.

I also wanted = to know how good it would be if i do something like a profiler for a subs= et of functionalities for plan 9???

Sascha Retzki <sretzk= i@gmx.de> wrote:
<= br>> I mean, it'll be like i get to do something nw and also will be a= ble to give it back to open source...
>

graphicssupport for= acme! :)






"Argue for your limitations...
 =       And sure enough, they are yours!"
             =                = ;      

Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone ca= lls. Great rates sta= rting at 1=A2/min. --0-392224523-1158496136=:9840-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <1c2c949f30c8cadb5705c3944690ac98@mail.gmx.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ideas??? From: "Sascha Retzki" Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 14:34:47 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20060917122856.10715.qmail@web60218.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Message-UUID: b7d95abc-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Thanks Sascha Retzki, for such a immediate reply... >=20 > But, i'm more interested to do memory, drivers etc. Oh, okay. There is the sparc64 port which needs some love, for instance. = :-) What about something which comes with complete 'layers' of stuff, like AC= 97 (this software-audio stuff)?=20 There is also SATA, I just know of one SATA-controller supported, just be= cause it happen to behave pretty like his grandfather or something (the l= istarchive has the details)... >=20 > I also wanted to know how good it would be if i do something like a pro= filer for a subset of functionalities for plan 9? What do you mean by 'profile(r)'? >=20 > Sascha Retzki wrote:=20 >> I mean, it'll be like i get to do something nw and also will be able t= o give it back to open source... >>=20 >=20 > graphicssupport for acme! :) >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > "Argue for your limitations... > And sure enough, they are yours!" > =20 >=20 >=20 > =09 > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great r= ates starting at 1=C2=A2/min. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <20060917124149.72785.qmail@web60225.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 05:41:49 -0700 From: tushar mahule Subject: Re: [9fans] Ideas??? To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1c2c949f30c8cadb5705c3944690ac98@mail.gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-430845611-1158496909=:72769" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: b8000c52-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --0-430845611-1158496909=:72769 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Sascha, Profiler is a tool that monitors all the CPU happenings(time taken, resou= rces used etc..) while a OS activity(like i/o acceess etc..) is being exe= cuted and reports them in a detailed user friendly way... It is generally used in the development stage to improve the efficiency o= f the code, depending upon the reports generated. Sascha Retzki wrote: > Thanks Sascha Retzki, for such a = immediate reply... >=20 > But, i'm more interested to do memory, drivers etc. Oh, okay. There is the sparc64 port which needs some love, for instance. = :-) What about something which comes with complete 'layers' of stuff, like AC= 97 (this software-audio stuff)?=20 There is also SATA, I just know of one SATA-controller supported, just be= cause it happen to behave pretty like his grandfather or something (the l= istarchive has the details)... >=20 > I also wanted to know how good it would be if i do something like a pro= filer for a subset of functionalities for plan 9? What do you mean by 'profile(r)'? >=20 > Sascha Retzki wrote:=20 >> I mean, it'll be like i get to do something nw and also will be able t= o give it back to open source... >>=20 >=20 > graphicssupport for acme! :) >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > "Argue for your limitations... > And sure enough, they are yours!" > =20 >=20 >=20 > =20 > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great r= ates starting at 1=A2/min. "Argue for your limitations... And sure enough, they are yours!" =20 =09 --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.=20 --0-430845611-1158496909=:72769 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Sascha,

Profiler is a tool that monitors all the CPU happ= enings(time taken, resources used etc..) while a OS activity(like i/o acc= eess etc..) is being executed and reports them in a detailed user friendl= y way...

It is generally used in the development stage to improve = the efficiency of the code, depending upon the reports generated.
=
Sascha Retzki <sretzki@gmx.de> wrote: > Thanks Sascha Retzki, for such = a immediate reply...
>
> But, i'm more interested to do memo= ry, drivers etc.

Oh, okay. There is the sparc64 port which needs s= ome love, for instance. :-)

What about something which comes with = complete 'layers' of stuff, like AC97 (this software-audio stuff)?
There is also SATA, I just know of one SATA-controller supported, just = because it happen to behave pretty like his grandfather or something (the listarchive has the details)...

>= ;
> I also wanted to know how good it would be if i do something l= ike a profiler for a subset of functionalities for plan 9?

What do= you mean by 'profile(r)'?

>
> Sascha Retzki wrote:
>> I mean, it'll be like i get to do something nw = and also will be able to give it back to open source...
>>
&= gt;
> graphicssupport for acme! :)
>
>
>
&= gt;
>
>
> "Argue for your limitations...
> = And sure enough, they are yours!"
> =
>
>
>
> ------------------= ---------------
> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to= -Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1=A2/min.

=




"Argue for your limitation= s...
       And sure enough, they are yours!"=
              &n= bsp;              &= nbsp;    
<= /span>

Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check i= t out.=20 --0-430845611-1158496909=:72769-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <20060917124401.87686.qmail@web60215.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 05:44:01 -0700 From: tushar mahule Subject: Re: [9fans] Ideas??? To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1c2c949f30c8cadb5705c3944690ac98@mail.gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-511742185-1158497041=:87582" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: b7df1560-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --0-511742185-1158497041=:87582 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I also wanted to know how good is the USB support in plan 9????? Sascha Retzki wrote: > Thanks Sascha Retzki, for such a = immediate reply... >=20 > But, i'm more interested to do memory, drivers etc. Oh, okay. There is the sparc64 port which needs some love, for instance. = :-) What about something which comes with complete 'layers' of stuff, like AC= 97 (this software-audio stuff)?=20 There is also SATA, I just know of one SATA-controller supported, just be= cause it happen to behave pretty like his grandfather or something (the l= istarchive has the details)... >=20 > I also wanted to know how good it would be if i do something like a pro= filer for a subset of functionalities for plan 9? What do you mean by 'profile(r)'? >=20 > Sascha Retzki wrote:=20 >> I mean, it'll be like i get to do something nw and also will be able t= o give it back to open source... >>=20 >=20 > graphicssupport for acme! :) >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > "Argue for your limitations... > And sure enough, they are yours!" > =20 >=20 >=20 > =20 > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great r= ates starting at 1=A2/min. "Argue for your limitations... And sure enough, they are yours!" =20 =09 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. --0-511742185-1158497041=:87582 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I also wanted to know how good is the USB support in plan 9?????

<= b>Sascha Retzki <sretzki@gmx.de> wrote:
> Thanks Sascha Retzki, for such a immedia= te reply...
>
> But, i'm more interested to do memory, drive= rs etc.

Oh, okay. There is the sparc64 port which needs some love,= for instance. :-)

What about something which comes with complete = 'layers' of stuff, like AC97 (this software-audio stuff)?

There i= s also SATA, I just know of one SATA-controller supported, just because i= t happen to behave pretty like his grandfather or something (the listarch= ive has the details)...

>
> I also wanted to know how go= od it would be if i do something like a profiler for a subset of function= alities for plan 9?

What do you mean by 'profile(r)'?

> =
> Sascha Retzki wrote:
>> I mean, it'll be like i get to do something nw and a= lso will be able to give it back to open source...
>>
> <= br>> graphicssupport for acme! :)
>
>
>
> <= br>>
>
> "Argue for your limitations...
> = And sure enough, they are yours!"
> =
>
>
>
> -----------------------= ----------
> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phon= e calls. Great rates starting at 1=A2/min.






"Argue for your limitations...
     &nb= sp; And sure enough, they are yours!"
             =                = ;      

Do you Yahoo!?
Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. --0-511742185-1158497041=:87582-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <41579.69.21.205.10.1158497665.squirrel@69.21.205.10> In-Reply-To: <20060917124401.87686.qmail@web60215.mail.yahoo.com> References: <1c2c949f30c8cadb5705c3944690ac98@mail.gmx.net> <20060917124401.87686.qmail@web60215.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 07:54:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [9fans] Ideas??? From: "Benn Newman" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Message-UUID: b7e50e66-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 You could work on more modern audio drivers. I, for one, do not have a Soundblaster 16. tushar mahule said: > I also wanted to know how good is the USB support in plan 9????? Couldn't tell you. I think the USB on my computer is broken. (one of the ports physically is. > > Sascha Retzki wrote: > Thanks Sascha Retzki, for such = a > immediate reply... >> >> But, i'm more interested to do memory, drivers etc. > > Oh, okay. There is the sparc64 port which needs some love, for instance= . > :-) > > What about something which comes with complete 'layers' of stuff, like > AC97 (this software-audio stuff)? > > There is also SATA, I just know of one SATA-controller supported, just > because it happen to behave pretty like his grandfather or something (t= he > listarchive has the details)... > >> >> I also wanted to know how good it would be if i do something like a >> profiler for a subset of functionalities for plan 9? > > What do you mean by 'profile(r)'? > >> >> Sascha Retzki wrote: >>> I mean, it'll be like i get to do something nw and also will be able = to >>> give it back to open source... >>> >> >> graphicssupport for acme! :) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Argue for your limitations... >> And sure enough, they are yours!" >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great >> rates starting at 1=A2/min. > > > > > > > "Argue for your limitations... > And sure enough, they are yours!" > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. --=20 Benn Newman From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ideas??? From: "Sascha Retzki" Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:02:30 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20060917124401.87686.qmail@web60215.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Message-UUID: b7ef63d4-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > I also wanted to know how good is the USB support in plan 9????? >=20 It sucks. So it implements usb just fine :) > Sascha Retzki wrote: > Thanks Sascha Retzki, for such = a immediate reply... >>=20 >> But, i'm more interested to do memory, drivers etc. >=20 > Oh, okay. There is the sparc64 port which needs some love, for instance= . :-) >=20 > What about something which comes with complete 'layers' of stuff, like = AC97 (this software-audio stuff)?=20 >=20 > There is also SATA, I just know of one SATA-controller supported, just = because it happen to behave pretty like his grandfather or something (the= listarchive has the details)... >=20 >>=20 >> I also wanted to know how good it would be if i do something like a pr= ofiler for a subset of functionalities for plan 9? >=20 > What do you mean by 'profile(r)'? >=20 >>=20 >> Sascha Retzki wrote:=20 >>> I mean, it'll be like i get to do something nw and also will be able = to give it back to open source... >>>=20 >>=20 >> graphicssupport for acme! :) >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> "Argue for your limitations... >> And sure enough, they are yours!" >> =20 >>=20 >>=20 >> =20 >> --------------------------------- >> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great = rates starting at 1=C2=A2/min. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > "Argue for your limitations... > And sure enough, they are yours!" > =20 >=20 >=20 > =09 > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ideas??? From: "Sascha Retzki" Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:03:26 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20060917124149.72785.qmail@web60225.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Message-UUID: b7f7d2b2-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Hi Sascha, >=20 > Profiler is a tool that monitors all the CPU happenings(time taken, res= ources used etc..) while a OS activity(like i/o acceess etc..) is being e= xecuted and reports them in a detailed user friendly way... >=20 > It is generally used in the development stage to improve the efficiency= of the code, depending upon the reports generated. >=20 May be interesting, alongside with print() and debuggers. > Sascha Retzki wrote: > Thanks Sascha Retzki, for such = a immediate reply... >>=20 >> But, i'm more interested to do memory, drivers etc. >=20 > Oh, okay. There is the sparc64 port which needs some love, for instance= . :-) >=20 > What about something which comes with complete 'layers' of stuff, like = AC97 (this software-audio stuff)?=20 >=20 > There is also SATA, I just know of one SATA-controller supported, just = because it happen to behave pretty like his grandfather or something (the= listarchive has the details)... >=20 >>=20 >> I also wanted to know how good it would be if i do something like a pr= ofiler for a subset of functionalities for plan 9? >=20 > What do you mean by 'profile(r)'? >=20 >>=20 >> Sascha Retzki wrote:=20 >>> I mean, it'll be like i get to do something nw and also will be able = to give it back to open source... >>>=20 >>=20 >> graphicssupport for acme! :) >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> "Argue for your limitations... >> And sure enough, they are yours!" >> =20 >>=20 >>=20 >> =20 >> --------------------------------- >> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great = rates starting at 1=C2=A2/min. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > "Argue for your limitations... > And sure enough, they are yours!" > =20 >=20 >=20 > =09 > --------------------------------- > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.=20 From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 11:31:31 -0400 From: "Russ Cox" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Ideas??? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060917124149.72785.qmail@web60225.mail.yahoo.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: b824402c-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 There is no support for USB 2.0 controllers. It would be very nice to have support for them and thus be able to run USB devices at higher speeds. There is already a kernel profiler, kprof. Russ From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <44709c3943955427beff13e43b8e9dd9@quanstro.net> From: erik quanstrom Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 13:26:38 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ideas??? In-Reply-To: <20060917124401.87686.qmail@web60215.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: b82a0afc-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 there are at least two sata drivers supported. sdmv50xx -- marvell and the nForce4 southbridge. one version is already supported. i just submitted a patch for the nForce 430. (gigabyte ga-m55plus-s3g motherboard.) - erik On Sun Sep 17 07:49:22 CDT 2006, tusharmahule@yahoo.com wrote: > There is also SATA, I just know of one SATA-controller supported, just because it happen to behave pretty like his grandfather or something (the listarchive has the details)... From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <9f3897940609171305o6bb8e957y4d77f2f4fa364167@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:05:56 +0200 From: "=?UTF-8?Q?Pawe=C5=82_Lasek?=" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Ideas??? In-Reply-To: <20060917124149.72785.qmail@web60225.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1c2c949f30c8cadb5705c3944690ac98@mail.gmx.net> <20060917124149.72785.qmail@web60225.mail.yahoo.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: b8d06ba4-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 9/17/06, tushar mahule wrote: If you need ideas for lower-level stuff... * IEEE1394a/b device driver (OHCI interface first), allowing to write fileservers supporting different kind of devices... * sbp2 client (maybe host?) * IP/Ethernet over 1394 * Adaptec aic78xx driver..... * port mplayer?? It's ugly code, but it works, and it works pretty fast ;-D Of non-programming stuff: * Stop using HTML in e-mails. It shows either: lack of good manners, lack of netiquette in your computer education, general stupidity or mistake. I wish for last case, suspect second one. (But please don't start a flamewar on this...). Those nice fonts looks screwed there (and my monitor has blue = 0 always....) ;-) -- Paul Lasek From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <7d3530220609171310x1d709d5do7a25a599adfb395a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:10:58 -0400 From: "John Floren" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Ideas??? In-Reply-To: <9f3897940609171305o6bb8e957y4d77f2f4fa364167@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1c2c949f30c8cadb5705c3944690ac98@mail.gmx.net> <20060917124149.72785.qmail@web60225.mail.yahoo.com> <9f3897940609171305o6bb8e957y4d77f2f4fa364167@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: b8e79018-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 T24gOS8xNy8wNiwgUGF3ZbMgTGFzZWsgPHBhd2VsLmxhc2VrQGdtYWlsLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6Cj4g T24gOS8xNy8wNiwgdHVzaGFyIG1haHVsZSA8dHVzaGFybWFodWxlQHlhaG9vLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6 Cj4KPiBJZiB5b3UgbmVlZCBpZGVhcyBmb3IgbG93ZXItbGV2ZWwgc3R1ZmYuLi4KPgo+ICogSUVF RTEzOTRhL2IgZGV2aWNlIGRyaXZlciAoT0hDSSBpbnRlcmZhY2UgZmlyc3QpLCBhbGxvd2luZyB0 byB3cml0ZQo+IGZpbGVzZXJ2ZXJzIHN1cHBvcnRpbmcgZGlmZmVyZW50IGtpbmQgb2YgZGV2aWNl cy4uLgo+ICogc2JwMiBjbGllbnQgKG1heWJlIGhvc3Q/KQo+ICogSVAvRXRoZXJuZXQgb3ZlciAx Mzk0Cj4gKiBBZGFwdGVjIGFpYzc4eHggZHJpdmVyLi4uLi4KPiAqIHBvcnQgbXBsYXllcj8/IEl0 J3MgdWdseSBjb2RlLCBidXQgaXQgd29ya3MsIGFuZCBpdCB3b3JrcyBwcmV0dHkgZmFzdCA7LUQK Pgo+IE9mIG5vbi1wcm9ncmFtbWluZyBzdHVmZjoKPiAqIFN0b3AgdXNpbmcgSFRNTCBpbiBlLW1h aWxzLiBJdCBzaG93cyBlaXRoZXI6IGxhY2sgb2YgZ29vZCBtYW5uZXJzLAo+IGxhY2sgb2YgbmV0 aXF1ZXR0ZSBpbiB5b3VyIGNvbXB1dGVyIGVkdWNhdGlvbiwgZ2VuZXJhbCBzdHVwaWRpdHkgb3IK PiBtaXN0YWtlLiBJIHdpc2ggZm9yIGxhc3QgY2FzZSwgc3VzcGVjdCBzZWNvbmQgb25lLiAoQnV0 IHBsZWFzZSBkb24ndAo+IHN0YXJ0IGEgZmxhbWV3YXIgb24gdGhpcy4uLikuCj4KPiBUaG9zZSBu aWNlIGZvbnRzIGxvb2tzIHNjcmV3ZWQgdGhlcmUgKGFuZCBteSBtb25pdG9yIGhhcyBibHVlID0g MAo+IGFsd2F5cy4uLi4pIDstKQo+Cj4KPiAtLQo+IFBhdWwgTGFzZWsKPgoKSSBzZWNvbmQgdGhl IG1wbGF5ZXIgdm90ZSwgYmVjYXVzZSBpdCdzIHBvc3NpYmx5IHRoZSBiZXN0IChmcm9tIGEKdXNl cidzIHBlcnNwZWN0aXZlLCBJIGRvbid0IGtub3cgd2hhdCB0aGUgY29kZSBpcyBsaWtlKSBtZWRp YSBwbGF5ZXIKSSd2ZSBldmVyIHVzZWQuIEhvd2V2ZXIsIGJlZm9yZSBtcGxheWVyIGlzIHVzZWZ1 bCwgSSB0aGluayB3ZSBraW5kYQpuZWVkIHNvbWUgbW9yZSBzb3VuZCBkcml2ZXJzLgoKSm9obgot LSAKIlRoZSBmaXJzdCB0aGluZyB3ZSBkbywgbGV0J3Mga2lsbCBhbGwgdGhlIGxhd3llcnMiIC0t IFNoYWtlc3BlYXJlLCBIZW5yeSBWSQo= From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <1170e7b8172cd7568032d2673f76500d@quanstro.net> From: erik quanstrom Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:34:02 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ideas??? In-Reply-To: <9f3897940609171305o6bb8e957y4d77f2f4fa364167@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: b90029f2-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 maybe you need a better mail reader. i never noticed the html witth ned. ;-) On Sun Sep 17 15:06:35 CDT 2006, pawel.lasek@gmail.com wrote: > Of non-programming stuff: > * Stop using HTML in e-mails. It shows either: lack of good manners, > lack of netiquette in your computer education, general stupidity or > mistake. I wish for last case, suspect second one. (But please don't > start a flamewar on this...). > > Those nice fonts looks screwed there (and my monitor has blue = 0 > always....) ;-) > > > -- > Paul Lasek From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <11b5ac2999655ec78c465da769a2cd47@plan9.bell-labs.com> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:49:54 -0400 From: geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ideas??? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: b9160286-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 There is interest here in better USB support. Charles has sent us an OHCI driver that needs to be adapted to fit devusb. We now have some AMD terminals with OHCI and EHCI, so we have both incentive and opportunity to make these interfaces and USB 2 work. I won't get to it until I'm done with file server migration. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:32:21 +0300 From: Harri Haataja Subject: Re: [9fans] Ideas??? In-reply-to: <7d3530220609171310x1d709d5do7a25a599adfb395a@mail.gmail.com> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-id: <20060918093221.GV4849@XTL.antioffline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline References: <1c2c949f30c8cadb5705c3944690ac98@mail.gmx.net> <20060917124149.72785.qmail@web60225.mail.yahoo.com> <9f3897940609171305o6bb8e957y4d77f2f4fa364167@mail.gmail.com> <7d3530220609171310x1d709d5do7a25a599adfb395a@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Topicbox-Message-UUID: b994ed12-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 04:10:58PM -0400, John Floren wrote: > On 9/17/06, Pawe? Lasek wrote: > >On 9/17/06, tushar mahule wrote: > >* port mplayer?? It's ugly code, but it works, and it works pretty > >fast ;-D > I second the mplayer vote, because it's possibly the best (from a > user's perspective, I don't know what the code is like) media player > I've ever used. However, before mplayer is useful, I think we kinda > need some more sound drivers. Also, is there hardware accelerated video (scaling!) and fullscreen switching? -- Conquering the galaxy is what bacteria with spaceships would do -- knowing no better, having no choice. -- Greg Egan, "Diaspora" (about alien invasion stories) From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <9f3897940609180354n453f94dfq586ac7294cdd523d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:54:25 +0200 From: "=?UTF-8?Q?Pawe=C5=82_Lasek?=" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Ideas??? In-Reply-To: <20060918093221.GV4849@XTL.antioffline.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1c2c949f30c8cadb5705c3944690ac98@mail.gmx.net> <20060917124149.72785.qmail@web60225.mail.yahoo.com> <9f3897940609171305o6bb8e957y4d77f2f4fa364167@mail.gmail.com> <7d3530220609171310x1d709d5do7a25a599adfb395a@mail.gmail.com> <20060918093221.GV4849@XTL.antioffline.net> Topicbox-Message-UUID: b99ea0aa-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 9/18/06, Harri Haataja wrote: > On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 04:10:58PM -0400, John Floren wrote: > > On 9/17/06, Pawe? Lasek wrote: > > >On 9/17/06, tushar mahule wrote: > > > >* port mplayer?? It's ugly code, but it works, and it works pretty > > >fast ;-D > > > I second the mplayer vote, because it's possibly the best (from a > > user's perspective, I don't know what the code is like) media player > > I've ever used. However, before mplayer is useful, I think we kinda > > need some more sound drivers. > > Also, is there hardware accelerated video (scaling!) and fullscreen > switching? Theoretically it should be possible to port mplayer's vidix using access to graphics card memory with device files (I don't remember exact files, but there was at least one which allowed to even write pci drivers as filesystems if one wanted to...) Integrating it with rio would be much tougher, but I think that at least vesa driver should be pretty easy to port, considering one finds a suitable way to return control to rio (like the need for "reset" on linux vt after using mplayer's -vo vesa). > -- > Conquering the galaxy is what bacteria with spaceships would do -- > knowing no better, having no choice. > -- Greg Egan, "Diaspora" (about alien invasion stories) > -- Paul Lasek From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <33fa8d1671b63f63c5a473d29d7cfb81@mail.gmx.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ideas??? From: "Sascha Retzki" Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:15:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: <7d3530220609171310x1d709d5do7a25a599adfb395a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: b9a52218-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 >> * port mplayer?? It's ugly code, but it works, and it works pretty fast ;-D >> >> > > I second the mplayer vote, because it's possibly the best (from a > user's perspective, I don't know what the code is like) media player > I've ever used. However, before mplayer is useful, I think we kinda > need some more sound drivers. > > John Mmmhh, man 7 juke # juke(7) man 7 playlistfs # playlistfs(7) I have not yet looked deeply enough into those, but as far as I recall, you create a decoder for each file-type as an external program. I have no idea how things like fast-forward/backward work, for instance (pause, etc). And I have no idea how I easily create playlists. It's shell magic for mplayer, and GUIs using mplayer may also provide ways - as I read the manpages, I am supposed to write maps myself. :-( Supposed those things are easily done, 'porting mplayer' becomes 'port the codecs, create a decoder for each of those'. At least for the audio-part. But imho it works for video, too. Speaking of those manpages, what is audio(7)? I don't have that manpage. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-Id: <200609181432.k8IEW4W13525@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Ideas??? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:15:39 +0200." <33fa8d1671b63f63c5a473d29d7cfb81@mail.gmx.net> References: <33fa8d1671b63f63c5a473d29d7cfb81@mail.gmx.net> From: Axel Belinfante MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <13519.1158589924.1@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl.cs.utwente.nl> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:32:04 +0200 Topicbox-Message-UUID: b9b30108-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > man 7 juke # juke(7) > man 7 playlistfs # playlistfs(7) > > I have not yet looked deeply enough into those, but as far as I recall, > you create a decoder for each file-type as an external program. right. > I have no idea how things like fast-forward/backward work, for instance they don't, as far as I know. > (pause, etc). stop/continue reading from the decoder, I think. > And I have no idea how I easily create playlists. > It's shell magic for mplayer, and GUIs using mplayer > may also provide ways - as I read the manpages, > I am supposed to write maps myself. :-( it is possible to generate (template) maps. either when you get the music from cd (readcd does this) or using the tags that are present in (e.g.) mp3 files. > Supposed those things are easily done, 'porting mplayer' > becomes 'port the codecs, create a decoder for each of those'. > At least for the audio-part. But imho it works for video, too. > > > Speaking of those manpages, what is audio(7)? I don't have that manpage. since audio(7) is not there, intro(7) makes me guess that will be about 'proprietary data that is not distributed outside Bell Laboratories'. Axel. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <15d663864e1f3c5a967cd9a32f4adf18@mail.gmx.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ideas??? From: "Sascha Retzki" Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:53:35 +0200 In-Reply-To: <200609181432.k8IEW4W13525@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: b9ce3982-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 >> man 7 juke # juke(7) >> man 7 playlistfs # playlistfs(7) >> >> I have not yet looked deeply enough into those, but as far as I recall, >> you create a decoder for each file-type as an external program. > > right. > >> I have no idea how things like fast-forward/backward work, for instance > > they don't, as far as I know. > Too bad, imho. Can one pass notes to APE-programs? Sure you can, but is there noted() etc? >> (pause, etc). > > stop/continue reading from the decoder, I think. Ah, so they read stdout and pass that to /dev/audio then. hm. > >> And I have no idea how I easily create playlists. >> It's shell magic for mplayer, and GUIs using mplayer >> may also provide ways - as I read the manpages, >> I am supposed to write maps myself. :-( > > it is possible to generate (template) maps. > either when you get the music from cd (readcd does this) > or using the tags that are present in (e.g.) mp3 files. As I recall you need a map to actually start up playlistfs/juke*, so how does one start? Can you give an example? :) From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <450EC5C3.7040507@lanl.gov> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:13:55 -0600 From: Ronald G Minnich User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.8-1.1.fc4 (X11/20060501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Ideas??? References: <20060917122856.10715.qmail@web60218.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060917122856.10715.qmail@web60218.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: b9dccb82-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 tushar mahule wrote: > > I also wanted to know how good it would be if i do something like a > profiler for a subset of functionalities for plan 9??? you mean systemtap or something? If you want to do a driver, fix usb ... or the atheros cards. ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <3ac777ef2d793360024704b113f8dd20@plan9.bell-labs.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:49:14 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ideas??? In-Reply-To: <450EC5C3.7040507@lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Message-UUID: b9ed273e-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Mon Sep 18 12:18:29 EDT 2006, rminnich@lanl.gov wrote: > tushar mahule wrote: > >=20 > > I also wanted to know how good it would be if i do something like a=20 > > profiler for a subset of functionalities for plan 9??? >=20 > you mean systemtap or something? >=20 > If you want to do a driver, fix usb ... >=20 > or the atheros cards. >=20 > ron How long has the unfinished Intel Centrino=E2=84=A2 driver been sitting waiting for attention? The bulk of what needs to be done is, I think, similar to what needs to be done to make the Atheros cards work - not the low-level hardware details (I sort-of have that for the Atheros cards too) but the 802.11 control above that needs to be done, the handful of ctl messages that sufficed for the old Wavelan world is not enough. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-Id: <200609181748.k8IHmC901266@demeter.cs.utwente.nl> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Ideas??? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:53:35 +0200." <15d663864e1f3c5a967cd9a32f4adf18@mail.gmx.net> References: <15d663864e1f3c5a967cd9a32f4adf18@mail.gmx.net> From: Axel Belinfante MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <1262.1158601691.1@demeter.cs.utwente.nl.cs.utwente.nl> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:48:12 +0200 Topicbox-Message-UUID: ba19c316-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > >> And I have no idea how I easily create playlists. > >> It's shell magic for mplayer, and GUIs using mplayer > >> may also provide ways - as I read the manpages, > >> I am supposed to write maps myself. :-( > > = > > it is possible to generate (template) maps. > > either when you get the music from cd (readcd does this) > > or using the tags that are present in (e.g.) mp3 files. > = > As I recall you need a map to actually start up playlistfs/juke*, > so how does one start? Can you give an example? :) I think you were the one who mentioned > >> man 7 juke # juke(7) it does contain an example. it can be even simpler, something like below, where you just follow the file system hierarchy. the following assumes that the actual files are like /some/path/mp3/groupdirname/albumdirname/01_some_name.ogg etc. (I used anyrhines audio/ogg-vorbis stuff) work { some name path {/some/path/mp3} command {sort} work { group path {groupdirname} command {sort} work { album title path {albumdirname} command {sort} track { 02 name of second track file {02_second_track.ogg} } track { 01 name of first track file {01_some_name.ogg} } ... } } } if you put the tracks of the album in the right order you can leave out the innermost 'command {sort}'. however, the real power of the maps comes from being able to use arbitrary attributes. for example, i have run a script over my map that adds something like the permuted index that we have for the manual pages, by shifting names/titles around, such that you track { artist =3D Fay~Lovsky artistpF =3D Fay~Lovsky artistpL =3D Lovsky~~--~~Fay title =3D Christmas~Was~A~Friend~Of~Mine titlepC =3D Christmas~Was~A~Friend~Of~Mine titlepW =3D Was~A~Friend~Of~Mine~~--~~Christmas titlepF =3D Friend~Of~Mine~~--~~Christmas~Was~A titlepO =3D Of~Mine~~--~~Christmas~Was~A~Friend titlepM =3D Mine~~--~~Christmas~Was~A~Friend~Of Fay=C2=B7Lovsky=C2=B7-=C2=B7Christmas=C2=B7Was=C2=B7A=C2=B7Friend=C2=B7O= f=C2=B7Mine file {Fay=C2=B7Lovsky=C2=B7-=C2=B7Christmas=C2=B7Was=C2=B7A=C2=B7Friend=C2= =B7Of=C2=B7Mine.mp3} } (in the 'name=3Dvalue' lines ~ denotes a space) this allows you to 'sort' your data on any word from title or name. I split the permuted title and artist indexs on first letter, because they would be to big otherwise, hence the artistpF, artistpL etc. of course, it should be possible to write something that, to juke, offers the same interface as jukefs, but does not read the maps but just takes the structure of the filesystem instead. Axel. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-Id: <200609181930.k8IJUb405059@demeter.cs.utwente.nl> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Ideas??? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:53:35 +0200." <15d663864e1f3c5a967cd9a32f4adf18@mail.gmx.net> References: <15d663864e1f3c5a967cd9a32f4adf18@mail.gmx.net> From: Axel Belinfante MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:30:36 +0200 Topicbox-Message-UUID: b9f8d566-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 [I'm reposting this (slightly edited) after a first post seemed not to have made it through. I'm sorry if this is just a duplicate after all] > >> And I have no idea how I easily create playlists. > >> It's shell magic for mplayer, and GUIs using mplayer > >> may also provide ways - as I read the manpages, > >> I am supposed to write maps myself. :-( > > it is possible to generate (template) maps. > > either when you get the music from cd (readcd does this) > > or using the tags that are present in (e.g.) mp3 files. > As I recall you need a map to actually start up playlistfs/juke*, > so how does one start? Can you give an example? :) I think you were the one who mentioned > >> man 7 juke # juke(7) :-) juke(7) does contain an example. it can be even simpler, something like below, where you just follow the file system hierarchy. the following assumes that the actual files are like /some/path/to/music/groupdirname/albumdirname/01_some_name.ogg etc. (I used anyrhines audio/ogg-vorbis stuff) work { some name you invent yourself path {/some/path/to/music} command {sort} work { group name path {groupdirname} command {sort} work { album title path {albumdirname} command {sort} track { 02 name of second track file {02_second_track.ogg} } track { 01 name of first track file {01_some_name.ogg} } ... } } } if you put the tracks of the album in the right order you can leave out the innermost 'command {sort}'. however, the real power of the maps comes from being able to use arbitrary attributes. this allows you to browse your music via various 'angles'. for example, the juke(1) example allows you to browse also by compose, orchestra and conductor. (some time ago I played a bit with the source of the juke gui to improve the 'hyperlinking' you can get by 'clicking through' the various attributes shown for each item (song). i.e. you see the song that is playing. it has among the attributes: soloist=blup . you click on it and now get are in the view by solist, seeing the items that have solist blup. you pick one, and it has among the attributes: composer=mahler . you click on that and are in the view by composer, seeing the items that have composer mahler. etc. and from the view of items of soloist blup you can go up to see all soloists. etc. don't recall how much it differs from the distribution - i haven't used it for quite some time.) another use of attributes is the following: i have run a script over my map that adds something like the permuted index that we have for the manual pages, by shifting names/titles around, which allows browsing by any word in title or artist. track { artist = Fay~Lovsky artistpF = Fay~Lovsky artistpL = Lovsky~~--~~Fay title = Christmas~Was~A~Friend~Of~Mine titlepC = Christmas~Was~A~Friend~Of~Mine titlepW = Was~A~Friend~Of~Mine~~--~~Christmas titlepF = Friend~Of~Mine~~--~~Christmas~Was~A titlepO = Of~Mine~~--~~Christmas~Was~A~Friend titlepM = Mine~~--~~Christmas~Was~A~Friend~Of Fay Lovsky -- Christmas Was A Friend Of Mine file {Fay_Lovsky-Christmas_Was_A_Friend_Of_Mine.mp3} } (in the 'name=value' lines ~ denotes a space) this allows you to 'sort' your data on any word from title or name. I split the permuted title and artist indexs on first letter, because they would be to big otherwise, hence the artistpF, artistpL etc. I have added two scripts (one to generate a map from 'du -a' output, one to permute a map as discussed above) 'as is' on sources in contrib/axel/music. they are not polished. they are in perl. of course, it should be possible to write something that, to juke, offers the same interface as jukefs, but does not read the maps but just takes the structure of the filesystem instead. Axel. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: juke - does it need some love? (was: Re: [9fans] Ideas???) From: "Sascha Retzki" Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:43:46 +0200 In-Reply-To: <200609181930.k8IJUb405059@demeter.cs.utwente.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: ba7796d0-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > I have added two scripts (one to generate a map from 'du -a' output, > one to permute a map as discussed above) 'as is' on sources in > contrib/axel/music. they are not polished. they are in perl. Actually that's my point. One should be able, by a script and/or by GUI (exec()), to create a map-file by pointing to $home/music/something. I may try to understand your script and convert it to rc(1) - I would love to have the result in the distribution. (Btw, I will fail at understanding it, it is perl ^^) I will also look more deeply into the idea of using notes for the decoders to control them. Imho, that's the right way. Comments? From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <29d2abcd858866fc0dcaceb5ebc5150d@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: juke - does it need some love? (was: Re: [9fans] Ideas???) From: Charles Forsyth Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 02:12:57 +0100 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: bacbdcc2-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 i'm sure i've heard that's all you need.