From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_----------=_117406922772623" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ramkromberg@mail.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:20:27 +0200 Message-Id: <20070316182027.C186786ADD@cal1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: [9fans] Re: interesting potential targets for plan 9 and/or inferno Topicbox-Message-UUID: 26a3ff06-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_----------=_117406922772623 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Since I only used Plan 9 in a Virtual Machine I can only give a first impression, but I suppose those are what counts when encountering anything new, right ? I think Linux and Windows control the Desktop and Servers market so plan9 can't penetrate that market, instead a niche market might redeem it, like handheld devices which I think rio will do nicely with a touch screen, or maybe routers switches and alike. I think a programmers IDE is really important, coders are human too and acme is simply uncomfortable to MS Visual C++ fresh out of collage, never seen a linux outside the classroom programmers. Maybe better documents ? its too hard to familiarize your self with a system just by looking at the source code, some guides on device drivers and working with rio should be prioritized as hardware support is most important to the applications we want, and this applications want to interact with the users we need :-) Forum ! If plan9 is to be used, people have to know it first... It may seem stupid but you wouldn't believe how many open source project have been made and done by forums and the lack of them, developers will always leave the project due to "real life" issues, and without a strong following, projects simply slip into oblivion no matter how important and necessary they are. In fact, many useless projects which has no justification had been progressing quite nicely over the years due to a fanatical fan base (the many p2p clients come in mind) have become suddenly useful in the past couple of years. If plan9 can reach students as part of OS design course instead of linux their`s a good chance it will get more wide spread (PlanB?), this should be possible because linux is really badly conceptualized and programmed so a professor might prefer the well written code of plan9, unfortunately professors are really busy people that won't try plan9 without a good academic buzz around it - Care to write a paper ? Overall I think Microsoft will start losing market share to linux in the desktop market since many of my friends and I actually tried Vista only to find ourself losing another good DVD+R :-), And thats where xBox comes instead. With all this moving around plan9 might find itself a place ? some anti MS anti Linux willing party ready to embrace plan9 ? Apple did it... why not someone else ? I know Sun got board with *unix :-) Maybe some unknown Asian company ready to break the market with a cheaper then dirt product... lol... --_----------=_117406922772623 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Since I only used Plan 9 in a Virtual Machine I can only give a first impre= ssion, but I suppose those are what counts when encountering anything new, = right ?

I think Linux and Windows control the Desktop and Servers ma= rket so plan9 can't penetrate that market, instead a niche market might red= eem it, like handheld devices which I think rio will do nicely with a touch= screen, or maybe routers switches and alike.

I think a programmers = IDE is really important, coders are human too and acme is simply uncomforta= ble to MS Visual C++ fresh out of collage, never seen a linux outside the c= lassroom programmers.

Maybe better documents ? its too hard to famil= iarize your self with a system just by looking at the source code, some gui= des on device drivers and working with rio should be prioritized as hardwar= e support is most important to the applications we want, and this applicati= ons want to interact with the users we need :-)

Forum ! If plan9 is = to be used, people have to know it first... It may seem stupid but you wouldn't believe how many open source project have been made and done by forums and the lack of them, developers will always leave the project due to "real life" issues, and without a strong following, projects simply slip into oblivion no matter how important and necessary they are. In fact, many useless projects which has no justification had been progressing quite nicely over the years due to a fanatical fan base (the many p2p clients come in mind) have become suddenly useful in the past couple of years.

If plan9 can rea= ch students as part of OS design course instead of linux their`s a good cha= nce it will get more wide spread (PlanB?), this should be possible because = linux is really badly conceptualized and programmed so a professor might pr= efer the well written code of plan9, unfortunately professors are really bu= sy people that won't try plan9 without a good academic buzz around it - Car= e to write a paper ?

Overall I think Microsoft will start losing mar= ket share to linux in the desktop market since many of my friends and I act= ually tried Vista only to find ourself losing another good DVD+R :-), And t= hats where xBox comes instead.
With all this moving around plan9 might f= ind itself a place ? some anti MS anti Linux willing party ready to embrace= plan9 ? Apple did it... why not someone else ? I know Sun got board with *= unix :-) Maybe some unknown Asian company ready to break the market with a = cheaper then dirt product... lol...

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