Re: [9fans] opera under linuxemu

Re: [9fans] opera under linuxemu

[Russ Cox]

> ...lerned a lot from it about Linux and Plan9. I would never
> have started it by myself. What Russ left in his contrib had done the
> trick (catching syscalls with a note handler)... and was well 
> structured and easy for me to understand. From that, it was
> easy to extend and implement further syscalls. So thanks Russ!

I'm just amazed that you could add enough to make Opera
and Xvnc run.  Congratulations!

Russ

[9fans] opera under linuxemu

[ron minnich]

anybody got a howto? I grabbed cinap's linuxemu from sources. Right
now I get this:

cpu% ./8.out opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera
opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera: cant load
interpreter: '/lib/ld-linux.so.2' does not exist
cpu% bind -a /mnt/term/lib /lib
cpu% ./8.out opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera
8.out 20707: suicide: sys: trap: fault read addr=0x57425810 pc=0x57425810
cpu%

I am wondering if there is some simple thing I'm missing. I thought
static would not need ld-linux.so.2 but ...

thanks

ron

Re: [9fans] opera under linuxemu

[Iruata Souza]

On Jan 2, 2008 10:55 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> anybody got a howto? I grabbed cinap's linuxemu from sources. Right
> now I get this:
>
> cpu% ./8.out opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera
> opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera: cant load
> interpreter: '/lib/ld-linux.so.2' does not exist
> cpu% bind -a /mnt/term/lib /lib
> cpu% ./8.out opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera
> 8.out 20707: suicide: sys: trap: fault read addr=0x57425810 pc=0x57425810
> cpu%
>
> I am wondering if there is some simple thing I'm missing. I thought
> static would not need ld-linux.so.2 but ...
>
> thanks
>

I used to think opera-static were a static binary, too.

% ldd /usr/local/libexec/opera
/usr/local/libexec/opera:
        libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x52513000)
        libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x542c7000)
        libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x4ad48000)
        libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x51ded000)
        libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x5473d000)
        libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x516f1000)
        libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x4ba7b000)
        libz.so.1 => /usr/lib/libz.so.1 (0x5753c000)
        libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x52ed9000)
        /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x56445000)

maybe time has come for people to follow the quality of their code
when naming their programs.

iru

Re: [9fans] opera under linuxemu

[Federico G. Benavento]

hola,

getting real static binaries in linux is a bit tricky and no one seems to
be doing so, they always need ld-linux.so, libnss and others.
cinap creates some kind of bundles that create a  fake ns in /tmp/$lbun
with this (http://9hal.ath.cx/usr/cinap_lenrek/lbun/mklbun) or something
like, but I know he got opera running in Plan 9.
http://9hal.ath.cx/usr/cinap_lenrek/plan9opera.png


On Jan 2, 2008 9:55 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> anybody got a howto? I grabbed cinap's linuxemu from sources. Right
> now I get this:
>
> cpu% ./8.out opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera
> opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera: cant load
> interpreter: '/lib/ld-linux.so.2' does not exist
> cpu% bind -a /mnt/term/lib /lib
> cpu% ./8.out opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera
> 8.out 20707: suicide: sys: trap: fault read addr=0x57425810 pc=0x57425810
> cpu%
>
> I am wondering if there is some simple thing I'm missing. I thought
> static would not need ld-linux.so.2 but ...
>
> thanks
>
> ron
>



-- 
Federico G. Benavento

Re: [9fans] opera under linuxemu

[John Floren]

Pardon me for be a doubting Thomas, but that screenshot looks a hell
of a lot like a VNC session. You know, with the X cursor in the top of
the window and the default X background behind it, and TWM providing
window decorations. Now, having file:/net/ open in one of the windows,
I don't know what's up :)
I'm sorry for being skeptical, but that's what I'm seeing.

John

On 1/2/08, Federico G. Benavento <benavento@gmail.com> wrote:
> hola,
>
> getting real static binaries in linux is a bit tricky and no one seems to
> be doing so, they always need ld-linux.so, libnss and others.
> cinap creates some kind of bundles that create a  fake ns in /tmp/$lbun
> with this (http://9hal.ath.cx/usr/cinap_lenrek/lbun/mklbun) or something
> like, but I know he got opera running in Plan 9.
> http://9hal.ath.cx/usr/cinap_lenrek/plan9opera.png
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2008 9:55 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> > anybody got a howto? I grabbed cinap's linuxemu from sources. Right
> > now I get this:
> >
> > cpu% ./8.out opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera
> > opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera: cant load
> > interpreter: '/lib/ld-linux.so.2' does not exist
> > cpu% bind -a /mnt/term/lib /lib
> > cpu% ./8.out opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera
> > 8.out 20707: suicide: sys: trap: fault read addr=0x57425810 pc=0x57425810
> > cpu%
> >
> > I am wondering if there is some simple thing I'm missing. I thought
> > static would not need ld-linux.so.2 but ...
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > ron
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Federico G. Benavento
>


-- 
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

Re: [9fans] opera under linuxemu

[Federico G. Benavento]

the x server is not running on Plan 9

On Jan 3, 2008 12:39 AM, John Floren <slawmaster@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pardon me for be a doubting Thomas, but that screenshot looks a hell
> of a lot like a VNC session. You know, with the X cursor in the top of
> the window and the default X background behind it, and TWM providing
> window decorations. Now, having file:/net/ open in one of the windows,
> I don't know what's up :)
> I'm sorry for being skeptical, but that's what I'm seeing.
>
> John
>
>
> On 1/2/08, Federico G. Benavento <benavento@gmail.com> wrote:
> > hola,
> >
> > getting real static binaries in linux is a bit tricky and no one seems to
> > be doing so, they always need ld-linux.so, libnss and others.
> > cinap creates some kind of bundles that create a  fake ns in /tmp/$lbun
> > with this (http://9hal.ath.cx/usr/cinap_lenrek/lbun/mklbun) or something
> > like, but I know he got opera running in Plan 9.
> > http://9hal.ath.cx/usr/cinap_lenrek/plan9opera.png
> >
> >
> > On Jan 2, 2008 9:55 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > anybody got a howto? I grabbed cinap's linuxemu from sources. Right
> > > now I get this:
> > >
> > > cpu% ./8.out opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera
> > > opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera: cant load
> > > interpreter: '/lib/ld-linux.so.2' does not exist
> > > cpu% bind -a /mnt/term/lib /lib
> > > cpu% ./8.out opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera
> > > 8.out 20707: suicide: sys: trap: fault read addr=0x57425810 pc=0x57425810
> > > cpu%
> > >
> > > I am wondering if there is some simple thing I'm missing. I thought
> > > static would not need ld-linux.so.2 but ...
> > >
> > > thanks
> > >
> > > ron
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Federico G. Benavento
> >
>
>
> --
> Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
>



-- 
Federico G. Benavento

Re: [9fans] opera under linuxemu

[Uriel]

I think it is, I thought cinap ran xvnc under linuxemu too, but I
might be wrong.

uriel

On Jan 3, 2008 4:58 AM, Federico G. Benavento <benavento@gmail.com> wrote:
> the x server is not running on Plan 9
>
>
> On Jan 3, 2008 12:39 AM, John Floren <slawmaster@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Pardon me for be a doubting Thomas, but that screenshot looks a hell
> > of a lot like a VNC session. You know, with the X cursor in the top of
> > the window and the default X background behind it, and TWM providing
> > window decorations. Now, having file:/net/ open in one of the windows,
> > I don't know what's up :)
> > I'm sorry for being skeptical, but that's what I'm seeing.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > On 1/2/08, Federico G. Benavento <benavento@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > hola,
> > >
> > > getting real static binaries in linux is a bit tricky and no one seems to
> > > be doing so, they always need ld-linux.so, libnss and others.
> > > cinap creates some kind of bundles that create a  fake ns in /tmp/$lbun
> > > with this (http://9hal.ath.cx/usr/cinap_lenrek/lbun/mklbun) or something
> > > like, but I know he got opera running in Plan 9.
> > > http://9hal.ath.cx/usr/cinap_lenrek/plan9opera.png
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 2, 2008 9:55 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > anybody got a howto? I grabbed cinap's linuxemu from sources. Right
> > > > now I get this:
> > > >
> > > > cpu% ./8.out opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera
> > > > opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera: cant load
> > > > interpreter: '/lib/ld-linux.so.2' does not exist
> > > > cpu% bind -a /mnt/term/lib /lib
> > > > cpu% ./8.out opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera
> > > > 8.out 20707: suicide: sys: trap: fault read addr=0x57425810 pc=0x57425810
> > > > cpu%
> > > >
> > > > I am wondering if there is some simple thing I'm missing. I thought
> > > > static would not need ld-linux.so.2 but ...
> > > >
> > > > thanks
> > > >
> > > > ron
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Federico G. Benavento
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Federico G. Benavento
>

Re: [9fans] opera under linuxemu

[Uriel]

It is a VNC session because there is no X server for Plan 9 and opera
is an X client, so I think cinap runs xvnc under linuxemu, and then
connects to it with the native plan9 vnc client.

I spent a while fighting with x.org trying to get kdrive to run on
Plan 9, I got quite close (after many unmentionable hacks, including
to 8l to make it ignore certain linking errors), but the psychological
strain became too great and I had to give up, I might pick it again if
I'm feeling sufficiently masochistic some day and I got nothing better
to do. In any case, it is feasible and probably somebody more skilled
than me will have less trouble.

Linuxemu+kdrive would pretty much allow us to run any lunix app on
Plan 9, and stop wasting time porting every stupid lunix app and
dealing with auto*hell.

I must apologize for once upon a time claiming that linuxemu was a
waste of time, I was (as usual) wrong and now I think it is the best
way to waste the least amount of time and effort trying to run lunix
junk on Plan 9. Oh, btw, for everyone clamoring for ssh2, openssh runs
just fine under linuxemu.

My hat goes off to russ and cinap for their amazing work on linux emu.

uriel

On Jan 3, 2008 4:39 AM, John Floren <slawmaster@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pardon me for be a doubting Thomas, but that screenshot looks a hell
> of a lot like a VNC session. You know, with the X cursor in the top of
> the window and the default X background behind it, and TWM providing
> window decorations. Now, having file:/net/ open in one of the windows,
> I don't know what's up :)
> I'm sorry for being skeptical, but that's what I'm seeing.
>
> John
>
>
> On 1/2/08, Federico G. Benavento <benavento@gmail.com> wrote:
> > hola,
> >
> > getting real static binaries in linux is a bit tricky and no one seems to
> > be doing so, they always need ld-linux.so, libnss and others.
> > cinap creates some kind of bundles that create a  fake ns in /tmp/$lbun
> > with this (http://9hal.ath.cx/usr/cinap_lenrek/lbun/mklbun) or something
> > like, but I know he got opera running in Plan 9.
> > http://9hal.ath.cx/usr/cinap_lenrek/plan9opera.png
> >
> >
> > On Jan 2, 2008 9:55 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > anybody got a howto? I grabbed cinap's linuxemu from sources. Right
> > > now I get this:
> > >
> > > cpu% ./8.out opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera
> > > opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera: cant load
> > > interpreter: '/lib/ld-linux.so.2' does not exist
> > > cpu% bind -a /mnt/term/lib /lib
> > > cpu% ./8.out opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera
> > > 8.out 20707: suicide: sys: trap: fault read addr=0x57425810 pc=0x57425810
> > > cpu%
> > >
> > > I am wondering if there is some simple thing I'm missing. I thought
> > > static would not need ld-linux.so.2 but ...
> > >
> > > thanks
> > >
> > > ron
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Federico G. Benavento
> >
>
>
> --
> Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
>

Re: [9fans] opera under linuxemu

[ron minnich]

On Jan 2, 2008 8:02 PM, Uriel <uriel99@gmail.com> wrote:
>Oh, btw, for everyone clamoring for ssh2, openssh runs
> just fine under linuxemu.

And that's great. But I see no harm in having a native port.

ron

Re: [9fans] opera under linuxemu

[Uriel]

Absolutely, and it will make a ssh2net much more likely without which
ssh2 on plan9 is nowhere as useful as it could be.

uriel

On Jan 3, 2008 6:26 AM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 2, 2008 8:02 PM, Uriel <uriel99@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Oh, btw, for everyone clamoring for ssh2, openssh runs
> > just fine under linuxemu.
>
> And that's great. But I see no harm in having a native port.
>
> ron
>

Re: [9fans] opera under linuxemu

[cinap_lenrek]

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The Xserver is Xvnc running under linuxemu too... i connect with native 
Plan9 vncv to it. The twm is from the ape/X distribution running native
on Plan9.

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From: "John Floren" <slawmaster@gmail.com>
To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] opera under linuxemu
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 22:39:05 -0500
Message-ID: <7d3530220801021939q597fd8adm3e9ca296b0d20cb6@mail.gmail.com>

Pardon me for be a doubting Thomas, but that screenshot looks a hell
of a lot like a VNC session. You know, with the X cursor in the top of
the window and the default X background behind it, and TWM providing
window decorations. Now, having file:/net/ open in one of the windows,
I don't know what's up :)
I'm sorry for being skeptical, but that's what I'm seeing.

John

On 1/2/08, Federico G. Benavento <benavento@gmail.com> wrote:
> hola,
>
> getting real static binaries in linux is a bit tricky and no one seems to
> be doing so, they always need ld-linux.so, libnss and others.
> cinap creates some kind of bundles that create a  fake ns in /tmp/$lbun
> with this (http://9hal.ath.cx/usr/cinap_lenrek/lbun/mklbun) or something
> like, but I know he got opera running in Plan 9.
> http://9hal.ath.cx/usr/cinap_lenrek/plan9opera.png
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2008 9:55 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> > anybody got a howto? I grabbed cinap's linuxemu from sources. Right
> > now I get this:
> >
> > cpu% ./8.out opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera
> > opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera: cant load
> > interpreter: '/lib/ld-linux.so.2' does not exist
> > cpu% bind -a /mnt/term/lib /lib
> > cpu% ./8.out opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera
> > 8.out 20707: suicide: sys: trap: fault read addr=0x57425810 pc=0x57425810
> > cpu%
> >
> > I am wondering if there is some simple thing I'm missing. I thought
> > static would not need ld-linux.so.2 but ...
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > ron
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Federico G. Benavento
>


-- 
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

Re: [9fans] opera under linuxemu

[John Floren]

Okay, thanks for clearing that up, cinap. That's pretty impressive,
actually. Do you plan to put together some kind of package that we can
just drop in and run? It makes a lot more sense to find that
everything is run under Plan 9 :)

John

On Jan 3, 2008 2:12 PM,  <cinap_lenrek@gmx.de> wrote:
> The Xserver is Xvnc running under linuxemu too... i connect with native
> Plan9 vncv to it. The twm is from the ape/X distribution running native
> on Plan9.
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "John Floren" <slawmaster@gmail.com>
> To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 22:39:05 -0500
> Subject: Re: [9fans] opera under linuxemu
> Pardon me for be a doubting Thomas, but that screenshot looks a hell
> of a lot like a VNC session. You know, with the X cursor in the top of
> the window and the default X background behind it, and TWM providing
> window decorations. Now, having file:/net/ open in one of the windows,
> I don't know what's up :)
> I'm sorry for being skeptical, but that's what I'm seeing.
>
> John
>
> On 1/2/08, Federico G. Benavento <benavento@gmail.com> wrote:
> > hola,
> >
> > getting real static binaries in linux is a bit tricky and no one seems to
> > be doing so, they always need ld-linux.so, libnss and others.
> > cinap creates some kind of bundles that create a  fake ns in /tmp/$lbun
> > with this (http://9hal.ath.cx/usr/cinap_lenrek/lbun/mklbun) or something
> > like, but I know he got opera running in Plan 9.
> > http://9hal.ath.cx/usr/cinap_lenrek/plan9opera.png
> >
> >
> > On Jan 2, 2008 9:55 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > anybody got a howto? I grabbed cinap's linuxemu from sources. Right
> > > now I get this:
> > >
> > > cpu% ./8.out opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera
> > > opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera: cant load
> > > interpreter: '/lib/ld-linux.so.2' does not exist
> > > cpu% bind -a /mnt/term/lib /lib
> > > cpu% ./8.out opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera
> > > 8.out 20707: suicide: sys: trap: fault read addr=0x57425810 pc=0x57425810
> > > cpu%
> > >
> > > I am wondering if there is some simple thing I'm missing. I thought
> > > static would not need ld-linux.so.2 but ...
> > >
> > > thanks
> > >
> > > ron
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Federico G. Benavento
> >
>
>
> --
> Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
>



-- 
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

Re: [9fans] opera under linuxemu

[Francisco J Ballesteros]

What about a
contrib/386 contrib/src
so that we could pull most/all of contribs just at a go?



On Jan 3, 2008 11:24 PM, John Floren <slawmaster@gmail.com> wrote:
> Okay, thanks for clearing that up, cinap. That's pretty impressive,
> actually. Do you plan to put together some kind of package that we can
> just drop in and run? It makes a lot more sense to find that
> everything is run under Plan 9 :)
>
> John
>
>
> On Jan 3, 2008 2:12 PM,  <cinap_lenrek@gmx.de> wrote:
> > The Xserver is Xvnc running under linuxemu too... i connect with native
> > Plan9 vncv to it. The twm is from the ape/X distribution running native
> > on Plan9.
> >
> >
>
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: "John Floren" <slawmaster@gmail.com>
> > To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
> > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 22:39:05 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [9fans] opera under linuxemu
> > Pardon me for be a doubting Thomas, but that screenshot looks a hell
> > of a lot like a VNC session. You know, with the X cursor in the top of
> > the window and the default X background behind it, and TWM providing
> > window decorations. Now, having file:/net/ open in one of the windows,
> > I don't know what's up :)
> > I'm sorry for being skeptical, but that's what I'm seeing.
> >
> > John
> >
> > On 1/2/08, Federico G. Benavento <benavento@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > hola,
> > >
> > > getting real static binaries in linux is a bit tricky and no one seems to
> > > be doing so, they always need ld-linux.so, libnss and others.
> > > cinap creates some kind of bundles that create a  fake ns in /tmp/$lbun
> > > with this (http://9hal.ath.cx/usr/cinap_lenrek/lbun/mklbun) or something
> > > like, but I know he got opera running in Plan 9.
> > > http://9hal.ath.cx/usr/cinap_lenrek/plan9opera.png
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 2, 2008 9:55 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > anybody got a howto? I grabbed cinap's linuxemu from sources. Right
> > > > now I get this:
> > > >
> > > > cpu% ./8.out opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera
> > > > opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera: cant load
> > > > interpreter: '/lib/ld-linux.so.2' does not exist
> > > > cpu% bind -a /mnt/term/lib /lib
> > > > cpu% ./8.out opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera
> > > > 8.out 20707: suicide: sys: trap: fault read addr=0x57425810 pc=0x57425810
> > > > cpu%
> > > >
> > > > I am wondering if there is some simple thing I'm missing. I thought
> > > > static would not need ld-linux.so.2 but ...
> > > >
> > > > thanks
> > > >
> > > > ron
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Federico G. Benavento
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
>
>

Re: [9fans] opera under linuxemu

[cinap_lenrek]

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> Okay, thanks for clearing that up, cinap. That's pretty impressive,
> actually. 
...lerned a lot from it about Linux and Plan9. I would never
have started it by myself. What Russ left in his contrib had done the
trick (catching syscalls with a note handler)... and was well 
structured and easy for me to understand. From that, it was
easy to extend and implement further syscalls. So thanks Russ!

> Do you plan to put together some kind of package that we can
> just drop in and run?
linuxemu is just one binary. The linux-part is the porblem :-)
I had started a script that tars a binary and all its dependencies into
a tarball. And an rc-script that can be cat'ed at the top of the tar to
make it executable (unpacks/build the linux-namespace and 
some config-files/run).

see:

http://9hal.ath.cx/magic/webls?dir=/usr/cinap_lenrek/lbun

But i'm not sure if that is the right way todo it. The best would be just
some directory where all the linux lives in and maybe some script that
downloads/installs packages from some major linux distrio in it.

By the way:
Linuxemu has some limitation so that you cant use the TLS versions of
glibc/pthreads. (set_thread_area syscall). So you need the Linuxthreads
implementation of pthreads and not NTPL.

> It makes a lot more sense to find that
> everything is run under Plan 9 :)
> 
> John

cinap

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From: "John Floren" <slawmaster@gmail.com>
To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] opera under linuxemu
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:24:20 -0800
Message-ID: <7d3530220801031424k4ce6d7d9y39837d80478c5a1c@mail.gmail.com>

Okay, thanks for clearing that up, cinap. That's pretty impressive,
actually. Do you plan to put together some kind of package that we can
just drop in and run? It makes a lot more sense to find that
everything is run under Plan 9 :)

John

On Jan 3, 2008 2:12 PM,  <cinap_lenrek@gmx.de> wrote:
> The Xserver is Xvnc running under linuxemu too... i connect with native
> Plan9 vncv to it. The twm is from the ape/X distribution running native
> on Plan9.
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "John Floren" <slawmaster@gmail.com>
> To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 22:39:05 -0500
> Subject: Re: [9fans] opera under linuxemu
> Pardon me for be a doubting Thomas, but that screenshot looks a hell
> of a lot like a VNC session. You know, with the X cursor in the top of
> the window and the default X background behind it, and TWM providing
> window decorations. Now, having file:/net/ open in one of the windows,
> I don't know what's up :)
> I'm sorry for being skeptical, but that's what I'm seeing.
>
> John
>
> On 1/2/08, Federico G. Benavento <benavento@gmail.com> wrote:
> > hola,
> >
> > getting real static binaries in linux is a bit tricky and no one seems to
> > be doing so, they always need ld-linux.so, libnss and others.
> > cinap creates some kind of bundles that create a  fake ns in /tmp/$lbun
> > with this (http://9hal.ath.cx/usr/cinap_lenrek/lbun/mklbun) or something
> > like, but I know he got opera running in Plan 9.
> > http://9hal.ath.cx/usr/cinap_lenrek/plan9opera.png
> >
> >
> > On Jan 2, 2008 9:55 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > anybody got a howto? I grabbed cinap's linuxemu from sources. Right
> > > now I get this:
> > >
> > > cpu% ./8.out opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera
> > > opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera: cant load
> > > interpreter: '/lib/ld-linux.so.2' does not exist
> > > cpu% bind -a /mnt/term/lib /lib
> > > cpu% ./8.out opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera
> > > 8.out 20707: suicide: sys: trap: fault read addr=0x57425810 pc=0x57425810
> > > cpu%
> > >
> > > I am wondering if there is some simple thing I'm missing. I thought
> > > static would not need ld-linux.so.2 but ...
> > >
> > > thanks
> > >
> > > ron
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Federico G. Benavento
> >
>
>
> --
> Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
>



-- 
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Re: [9fans] opera under linuxemu

[Martin Neubauer]

For one, I think opera-static doesn't mean it's a static binary but qt is
linked in statically. On the other hand, until just a couple years ago
static linking in linux was no problem at all. But around the time linux 2.6
came out, the glibc guys apparently decided nobody used static linking
anyway and merrily bollocksed it up. Great, now I'm depressed.

* Federico G. Benavento (benavento@gmail.com) wrote:
> hola,
> 
> getting real static binaries in linux is a bit tricky and no one seems to
> be doing so, they always need ld-linux.so, libnss and others.
> cinap creates some kind of bundles that create a  fake ns in /tmp/$lbun
> with this (http://9hal.ath.cx/usr/cinap_lenrek/lbun/mklbun) or something
> like, but I know he got opera running in Plan 9.
> http://9hal.ath.cx/usr/cinap_lenrek/plan9opera.png

Re: [9fans] opera under linuxemu

[Lluís Batlle]

I agree on this.

On the other hand, I seem to remember that any program using the
glibc's network name resolver can be totally statically linked in
Linux.

That has probably something to do with those dynamic /lib/libnss*
modules for name resolution, specified in /etc/nsswitch.conf.

Maybe a special compilation of glibc with those modules in static form
can produce static binaries, but I don't think any distribution comes
with a precompiled glibc like that.

2008/1/3, Martin Neubauer <m.ne@gmx.net>:
> For one, I think opera-static doesn't mean it's a static binary but qt is
> linked in statically. On the other hand, until just a couple years ago
> static linking in linux was no problem at all. But around the time linux 2.6
> came out, the glibc guys apparently decided nobody used static linking
> anyway and merrily bollocksed it up. Great, now I'm depressed.
>
> * Federico G. Benavento (benavento@gmail.com) wrote:
> > hola,
> >
> > getting real static binaries in linux is a bit tricky and no one seems to
> > be doing so, they always need ld-linux.so, libnss and others.
> > cinap creates some kind of bundles that create a  fake ns in /tmp/$lbun
> > with this (http://9hal.ath.cx/usr/cinap_lenrek/lbun/mklbun) or something
> > like, but I know he got opera running in Plan 9.
> > http://9hal.ath.cx/usr/cinap_lenrek/plan9opera.png
>

Re: [9fans] opera under linuxemu

[Lluís Batlle]

I meant that "NO program using the glibc's network name resolver can
be totally statically linked in Linux."
Sorry. I reread while the client was already sending the letter.

2008/1/3, Lluís Batlle <viriketo@gmail.com>:
> I agree on this.
>
> On the other hand, I seem to remember that any program using the
> glibc's network name resolver can be totally statically linked in
> Linux.
>
> That has probably something to do with those dynamic /lib/libnss*
> modules for name resolution, specified in /etc/nsswitch.conf.
>
> Maybe a special compilation of glibc with those modules in static form
> can produce static binaries, but I don't think any distribution comes
> with a precompiled glibc like that.
>
> 2008/1/3, Martin Neubauer <m.ne@gmx.net>:
> > For one, I think opera-static doesn't mean it's a static binary but qt is
> > linked in statically. On the other hand, until just a couple years ago
> > static linking in linux was no problem at all. But around the time linux 2.6
> > came out, the glibc guys apparently decided nobody used static linking
> > anyway and merrily bollocksed it up. Great, now I'm depressed.
> >
> > * Federico G. Benavento (benavento@gmail.com) wrote:
> > > hola,
> > >
> > > getting real static binaries in linux is a bit tricky and no one seems to
> > > be doing so, they always need ld-linux.so, libnss and others.
> > > cinap creates some kind of bundles that create a  fake ns in /tmp/$lbun
> > > with this (http://9hal.ath.cx/usr/cinap_lenrek/lbun/mklbun) or something
> > > like, but I know he got opera running in Plan 9.
> > > http://9hal.ath.cx/usr/cinap_lenrek/plan9opera.png
> >
>

Re: [9fans] opera under linuxemu

[csant]

Hi,

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 09:37:08 +0100, Martin Neubauer <m.ne@gmx.net> wrote:

> For one, I think opera-static doesn't mean it's a static binary but qt is
> linked in statically. On the other hand, until just a couple years ago

Correct.  Only Qt is linked statically into opera-static.  Also, current  
static Opera (the .1 package, not the experimental .10 package available  
for Opera 9.5)  is compiled with "ancient" gcc 2.95, which "thank god" has  
the advantage of not causing any libstdc++ dependency...

And congrats and *thanks* to cinap for the nice effort :)

/c