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From: Bakul Shah <bakul+plan9@bitblocks.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: Building GCC
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:49:44 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080125174945.0D6295B30@mail.bitblocks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:26:56 EST." <ec943f82fce9c740f5f9d6b308d7dff0@coraid.com>

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:26:56 EST Brantley Coile <brantley@coraid.com>  wrote:
> Plan 9 is not, and should not in my opinion, be a Linux
> replacment, Unix replacement, MS Windows replacement, and
> so on.  If you really want Plan 9 to dominate the world
> and see all your friends use it every day, invent a killer
> application for it.  That's the only way you can shove
> existing systems of their pedestals.

The zillion dollar question is what app would that be.  And
even if you build a killer app for plan 9, most people would
want it ported to their favorite OS.  Worse, the problem is
that the "platform" that matters to most people now is no
longer an OS (just as battles over which is the best
processor are now mostly past) -- this is why most killer
apps end up
a) being windows or OS X based,
b) being ported to multiple platforms (windows, OS X,
   Linux, FreeBSD, Symbian), or
c) living entirely in a web browser, with a server
   somewhere to provide/store the interesting bits.
d) bundled with a h/w gadget of some sort (iPod, SlingBox
   etc.)

May be Plan9 can be used to provide a webserver backend but
even here you have to work with existing solutions as people
don't want to reinvent everything. The benefits provided by
the plan9 model are simply not enough if you have to reinvent
everything. Working python, ruby, c++, PHP would go some way
toward fixing that.

Another possibilty is to use it in a h/w gadget that everyone
would want (for example building something like the Lego NXT
computer controlled brick so that you can build simple
robotic apps in rc).

All this assuming anyone wants plan9 to be more popular but I
don't know if there is even a majority that wants that (or
wants it badly enough to want to do something about it).

May be the problem is that people are treating plan 9 as a
Van Gogh masterpiece when they should be treating as building
material :-)


  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-25 17:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-20 20:08 [9fans] " Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-20 20:57 ` andrey mirtchovski
2008-01-20 21:05   ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-20 22:22     ` Federico G. Benavento
2008-01-20 23:41       ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-20 23:44         ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-20 23:47           ` benavento
2008-01-20 23:50             ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-21 14:09               ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-21 14:39                 ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-21 15:01                 ` Kernel Panic
2008-01-21 16:02                 ` Brantley Coile
2008-01-21 20:54                   ` Steve Simon
2008-01-21 21:58                     ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-21 22:47                     ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-21 22:59                       ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-21 23:25                       ` Fazlul Shahriar
2008-01-21 23:31                         ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-22  0:39                           ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-22 12:15                       ` Russ Cox
2008-01-22 12:38                         ` Harri Haataja
2008-01-22 13:09                           ` lucio
2008-01-22 15:03                           ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-22 15:37                             ` Brantley Coile
2008-01-23  9:35                               ` [9fans] " pavlovetsky
2008-01-23 11:15                                 ` Harri Haataja
2008-01-24  9:41                                   ` pavlovetsky
2008-01-24 10:05                                     ` Steve Simon
2008-01-24 10:44                                       ` benavento
2008-01-24 15:05                                         ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-24 15:14                                           ` benavento
2008-01-24 15:51                                         ` lucio
2008-01-24 18:12                                           ` benavento
2008-01-25  9:55                                         ` pavlovetsky
2008-01-24 16:55                                       ` Uriel
2008-01-24 11:19                                     ` Paulo Pocinho
2008-01-24 11:24                                       ` Christopher Nielsen
2008-01-24 11:48                                         ` Paulo Pocinho
2008-01-24 12:46                                           ` mattmobile
2008-01-24 13:23                                             ` Paulo Pocinho
2008-01-24 15:37                                       ` lucio
2008-01-24 18:04                                         ` ron minnich
2008-01-24 18:06                                           ` andrey mirtchovski
2008-01-24 18:15                                             ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-24 18:19                                           ` lucio
2008-01-24 18:38                                             ` Paulo Pocinho
2008-01-24 18:44                                               ` lucio
2008-01-24 19:01                                               ` lucio
2008-01-24 18:50                                       ` Joel C. Salomon
2008-01-24 19:04                                         ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-24 21:52                                           ` Russ Cox
2008-01-25  9:56                                             ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2008-01-25 12:19                                               ` Martin Neubauer
2008-01-24 13:38                                     ` tlaronde
2008-01-23 14:17                                 ` Iruata Souza
2008-01-23 16:13                                   ` ron minnich
2008-01-23 16:57                                     ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-23 17:36                                     ` Iruata Souza
2008-01-23 18:26                                       ` Uriel
2008-01-24  9:59                                   ` sqweek
2008-01-24 17:21                                     ` lucio
2008-01-24 18:04                                       ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-24 18:21                                         ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-24 18:37                                           ` lucio
2008-01-24 22:16                                             ` Gary Wright
2008-01-25  2:47                                             ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-25  3:21                                               ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-25  6:08                                               ` lucio
2008-01-24 18:52                                           ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-24 19:09                                             ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-24 19:27                                               ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-24 19:38                                                 ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-24 21:26                                                   ` Lorenzo Fernando Bivens de la Fuente
2008-01-25  9:55                                                 ` pavlovetsky
2008-01-25 14:14                                                   ` Iruata Souza
2008-01-25 14:26                                                     ` Brantley Coile
2008-01-25 17:49                                                       ` Bakul Shah [this message]
2008-01-25 18:09                                                         ` lucio
2008-01-25 18:29                                                           ` John Floren
2008-01-25 19:12                                                             ` lucio
2008-01-25 19:38                                                             ` Bakul Shah
2008-01-25 20:04                                                               ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-01-26  2:28                                                             ` dave.l
2008-01-26  3:08                                                               ` John Floren
2008-01-26  3:17                                                                 ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-28  3:11                                                                 ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-28  3:34                                                                   ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-01-25 18:32                                                           ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-25 18:15                                                         ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-25 18:30                                                           ` lucio
2008-01-25 18:17                                                         ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-01-25 18:19                                                         ` John Floren
2008-01-25 14:35                                                     ` [9fans] importing web browsers (was Building GCC) Charles Forsyth
2008-01-25 14:45                                                       ` Iruata Souza
2008-01-25 17:50                                                         ` lucio
2008-01-26 15:47                                                           ` Iruata Souza
2008-01-26 15:50                                                             ` Iruata Souza
2008-01-25 16:17                                                     ` [9fans] Re: Building GCC pavlovetsky
2008-01-25 18:04                                                     ` lucio
2008-01-26 15:29                                                       ` Iruata Souza
2008-01-24 19:13                                             ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-24 19:18                                             ` lucio
2008-01-24 19:26                                               ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-25  9:56                                             ` pavlovetsky
2008-01-25 11:21                                               ` lucio
2008-01-25 14:07                                                 ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-25 18:43                                                   ` [9fans] Higher level document rendering and editing (Was: Building GCC) lucio
2008-01-28 10:04                                                   ` [9fans] Re: Higher level document rendering and editing (Was pavlovetsky
2008-01-28 10:36                                                     ` Federico G. Benavento
2008-01-24 18:23                                         ` [9fans] Re: Building GCC lucio
2008-01-25 10:00                                         ` pavlovetsky
2008-01-22 17:15                           ` [9fans] " Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-22 18:19                             ` Iruata Souza
2008-01-22 18:28                               ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-22 18:37                                 ` Iruata Souza
2008-01-22 13:26                         ` John Stalker
2008-01-22 16:35                         ` ron minnich
2008-01-22 17:00                           ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-01-22 17:07                             ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-22 17:18                               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-01-22 17:25                               ` ron minnich
2008-01-22 17:46                                 ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-22 17:07                           ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-22 17:15                             ` ron minnich

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