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From: Enrico Weigelt <weigelt@metux.de>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] thoughs about venti+fossil
Date: Thu,  6 Mar 2008 06:38:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080306053806.GB18329@nibiru.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a553f487750f88281db1cce3378577c7@terzarima.net>

* Charles Forsyth <forsyth@terzarima.net> wrote:
> >1. how stable is the keying ? sha-1 has only 160 bits, while
> >   data blocks may be up to 56k long. so, the mapping is only
> >   unique into one direction (not one-to-one). how can we be
> >   *really sure*, that - even on very large storages (TB or
> >   even PB) - data to each key is alway (one-to-one) unique ?
>
> on a write, the computer will tell you if you ought to have bought
> that lottery ticket and stayed out of the rain:
<snip>

Okay, venti detects collisions. But what happens then ?
Does it simply refuse the write or is there a way for managing
hash-colliding data blocks ?

Of couse, this can be worked around, if we define, the key is
always server-generated and does not *always* reflect the hash
(from client-side: an arbitrary number):
Adding another bit, which tells if the key is not the hash, but
some (server-allocated) ID (eg. table entry).

For an stricly server-based model, this is perfectly fine.

BUT: I've got another idea in mind: an heavily distributed block
storage, which uses hashkeys for block identification and also
pools together equal blocks (like venti does). Ideally each
block should be transmitted only once (as long as it is in the
local cache). For this I need to be *sure* that there will be
*no* collissions, even if the system runs for a long time and
grows really big (maybe several PB on thousands of nodes).

Another interesting question: can the risk of colissions be
reduced by combining several different hash functions in
parallel ?


cu
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-03-06  5:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-05  4:00 Enrico Weigelt
2008-03-05  4:11 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-03-05  4:43   ` erik quanstrom
2008-03-05  5:09     ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-03-05  5:52   ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-03-05  6:24     ` geoff
2008-03-05  6:35     ` Taj Khattra
     [not found]     ` <7f575fa27b41329b9ae24f40e6e5a3cd@plan9.bell-labs.com>
2008-03-06  4:04       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-03-06  4:13         ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-06  4:15         ` andrey mirtchovski
2008-03-06  4:31           ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-06  6:16             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-03-06 18:50               ` ron minnich
2008-03-06 19:43                 ` Charles Forsyth
2008-03-06 19:45               ` Paul Lalonde
2008-03-06 20:18                 ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-06 21:39                   ` Paul Lalonde
2008-03-08  9:06                     ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-03-06 22:10                   ` Martin Harriss
2008-03-06  6:40           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-03-06 14:35             ` erik quanstrom
2008-03-06 14:58             ` Tom Lieber
2008-03-06 15:09             ` Charles Forsyth
2008-03-06 17:09               ` Robert Raschke
2008-03-10 10:19               ` sqweek
2008-03-10 12:29                 ` Gorka Guardiola
2008-03-10 13:20                 ` erik quanstrom
2008-03-10 19:00                   ` Wes Kussmaul
2008-03-10 19:27                     ` erik quanstrom
2008-03-10 20:55                       ` Bakul Shah
2008-03-11  2:04                       ` Wes Kussmaul
2008-03-11  2:10                         ` erik quanstrom
2008-03-11  6:03                           ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-10 16:18                 ` Russ Cox
2008-03-10 18:06                   ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-10 18:31                     ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-03-10 18:40                       ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-10 18:46                     ` Geoffrey Avila
2008-03-10 20:28                       ` Charles Forsyth
2008-03-10 21:35                     ` Charles Forsyth
2008-03-06  9:54           ` Wilhelm B. Kloke
2008-03-08  9:37             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-03-08  9:57               ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-08 10:46               ` Charles Forsyth
2008-03-08 15:37               ` erik quanstrom
2008-03-06  4:40         ` cummij
2008-03-06  5:15           ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-06  5:40         ` Uriel
2008-03-06  5:55           ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-11 18:34             ` Uriel
2008-03-06 12:26           ` erik quanstrom
2008-03-05  5:04 ` geoff
2008-03-05  8:43 ` Charles Forsyth
2008-03-05  9:05   ` Gorka Guardiola
2008-03-05 14:33 ` Russ Cox
2008-03-06 12:39   ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-03-06 16:58     ` Russ Cox
2008-03-06 18:16       ` andrey mirtchovski
     [not found] ` <a553f487750f88281db1cce3378577c7@terzarima.net>
2008-03-06  5:38   ` Enrico Weigelt [this message]
2008-03-06  9:44     ` Joel C. Salomon
2008-03-05 14:03 erik quanstrom
2008-03-05 16:00 ` Russ Cox
2008-03-06 19:09 Brian L. Stuart
2008-03-06 19:50 ` Charles Forsyth
2015-04-21 18:30 hruodr
2015-04-21 19:46 ` Russ Cox
2015-04-23  7:21 hruodr

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