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From: Bakul Shah <bakul+plan9@bitblocks.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 and multicores/parallelism/concurrency?
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:01:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080715080153.1B5B25B50@mail.bitblocks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:33:01 PDT." <1216067581.14715.45.camel@goose.sun.com>

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:33:01 PDT "Roman V. Shaposhnik" <rvs@sun.com>  wrote:
> Solaris's scheduler is not shy when it comes to big iron (100+ CPU SMP
> boxes) but even it had to be heavily tuned when a Batoka box first
> came to the labs. When you have physcical threads (CPUs), virtual
> threads and a non trivial memory hierarchy -- the decision of what
> is the best place (hardware-wise) for a give thread to run becomes
> a non-trivial one. Kernels that can track affinity properly rule
> the day.

I suspect a lot of this complexity will end up being dropped
when you don't have to worry about efficiently using the last
N% of cpu cycles.  When your bottleneck is memory bandwidth
using core 100% is not going to happen in general.  And I am
not sure thread placement belongs in the kernel.  Why not let
an application manage its allocation of h/w thread x cycle
resources?  I am not even sure a full kernel belongs on every
core.

Unlike you I think the kernel should do even less as more and
more cores are added.  It should basically stay out of the
way.  Less government, more privatization :-)  So may be
the plan9 kernel would a better starting point than a Unix
kernel.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-07-15  8:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <f1209aefaab5eece7465c3d0df545ddd@quanstro.net>
2008-07-14 20:33 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-07-15  1:37   ` Joel C. Salomon
2008-07-15  8:01   ` Bakul Shah [this message]
2008-07-15 17:50     ` Paul Lalonde
2008-07-17 19:29       ` Bakul Shah
2008-07-18  3:31         ` Paul Lalonde
2008-07-14 16:35 erik quanstrom
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-07-14  8:45 ssecorp
2008-07-14  9:08 ` sqweek
2008-07-14 16:17   ` Iruata Souza
2008-07-14 16:31   ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-07-14 10:15 ` a
2008-07-14 15:32 ` David Leimbach
2008-07-14 16:00   ` erik quanstrom
2008-07-14 16:29 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-07-14 20:08   ` a
2008-07-14 20:39     ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-07-14 22:12       ` a
2008-07-17 12:26         ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-07-17 12:40           ` erik quanstrom
2008-07-17 13:00             ` ron minnich
2008-07-14 20:43     ` Charles Forsyth

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