From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: From: erik quanstrom Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:34:47 -0500 To: 9fans@9fans.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] those funny gnu guys Topicbox-Message-UUID: 41fbd704-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 this is just stupifying: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1029797&cid=25761431 Due to a strange quirk in the way compilers are designed, it's (MUCH) faster to build a dozen files that include every file in your project than to build thousands of files. Once build times are down to 5 - 15 minutes you don't need distributed compiling. The link step is typically the most expensive anyway, so distributed compiling doesn't get you much. sorry for the noise. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <13426df10811141042l1293a8d2qfa680cf77f961f1a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:42:32 -0800 From: "ron minnich" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Subject: Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys Topicbox-Message-UUID: 4201da0a-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 new word, inspired by this: stupedifying in the sense of stupid, stupefying, and edifying in all one blow. I googled it and now feel much less creative. ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <3e1162e60811141244y61a6d54ep5557fb7716996484@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:44:39 -0800 From: "David Leimbach" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_17464_10246888.1226695479596" References: Subject: Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys Topicbox-Message-UUID: 42df2fcc-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_17464_10246888.1226695479596 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline reading slashdot is almost never worth the bandwidth or the time of your life spent looking at it. On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:34 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > this is just stupifying: > > http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1029797&cid=25761431 > > Due to a strange quirk in the way compilers are designed, it's (MUCH) > faster to build a dozen files that include every file in your project than > to build thousands of files. > > Once build times are down to 5 - 15 minutes you don't need distributed > compiling. The link step is typically the most expensive anyway, so > distributed compiling doesn't get you much. > > sorry for the noise. > > - erik > > ------=_Part_17464_10246888.1226695479596 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline reading slashdot is almost never worth the bandwidth or the time of your life spent looking at it.

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:34 AM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
this is just stupifying:

http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1029797&cid=25761431

Due to a strange quirk in the way compilers are designed, it's (MUCH) faster to build a dozen files that include every file in your project than to build thousands of files.

Once build times are down to 5 - 15 minutes you don't need distributed compiling. The link step is typically the most expensive anyway, so distributed compiling doesn't get you much.

sorry for the noise.

- erik


------=_Part_17464_10246888.1226695479596-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 To: 9fans@9fans.net From: erik quanstrom Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:09:45 -0500 Message-ID: <24974fec482d3ec2def9d9a5097b8501@coraid.com> In-Reply-To: <3e1162e60811141244y61a6d54ep5557fb7716996484@mail.gmail.com> References: <3e1162e60811141244y61a6d54ep5557fb7716996484@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys Topicbox-Message-UUID: 4320ce28-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > reading slashdot is almost never worth the bandwidth or the time of your > life spent looking at it. if you are looking for technical information, you're correct. it's not useful. if however, you're interested in what people think, slashdot is a good barometer. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <3e1162e60811142003k378cfc49v48602b52e39934b1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:03:16 -0800 From: "David Leimbach" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: <24974fec482d3ec2def9d9a5097b8501@coraid.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_21129_32217344.1226721796848" References: <3e1162e60811141244y61a6d54ep5557fb7716996484@mail.gmail.com> <24974fec482d3ec2def9d9a5097b8501@coraid.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys Topicbox-Message-UUID: 439ddc88-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_21129_32217344.1226721796848 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 2:09 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > > reading slashdot is almost never worth the bandwidth or the time of your > > life spent looking at it. > > if you are looking for technical information, you're > correct. it's not useful. > > if however, you're interested in what people think, > slashdot is a good barometer. > > - erik > > My mileage on that has varied as well :-). Most people I know couldn't give a rats ass about what slashdotters think, and no one I work for or with even looks at that site. Dave ------=_Part_21129_32217344.1226721796848 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 2:09 PM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@coraid.com> wrote:
> reading slashdot is almost never worth the bandwidth or the time of your
> life spent looking at it.

if you are looking for technical information, you're
correct.  it's not useful.

if however, you're interested in what people think,
slashdot is a good barometer.

- erik

My mileage on that has varied as well :-).  Most people I know couldn't give a rats ass about what slashdotters think, and no one I work for or with even looks at that site.

Dave 

------=_Part_21129_32217344.1226721796848-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <1095db57dc7a4e99d0c986a03644fd59@quanstro.net> From: erik quanstrom Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:03:55 -0500 To: leimy2k@gmail.com, 9fans@9fans.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys Topicbox-Message-UUID: 43b36ac6-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > > My mileage on that has varied as well :-). Most people I know couldn't > give a rats ass about what slashdotters think, and no one I work for or with > even looks at that site. it must be nice to run in such elite circles. perhaps one day when i am not employed buidling stuff people are willing to pay for, i shall be afforded such luxury. even if only to beg to differ. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <4f34febc0811142229t656f5514k81294a5ed3fe0d5f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:29:09 -0800 From: "John Barham" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Subject: Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys Topicbox-Message-UUID: 43c72cfa-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:34 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > this is just stupifying: > > http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1029797&cid=25761431 I see that this comment has been voted +4 "informative". Truly a shining example of the web 2.0 wisdom of crowds at work! John From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:09:47 +0800 From: "Rogelio Serrano" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Subject: Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys Topicbox-Message-UUID: 43ce594e-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 2:34 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > this is just stupifying: > > http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1029797&cid=25761431 > > Due to a strange quirk in the way compilers are designed, it's (MUCH) faster to build a dozen files that include every file in your project than to build thousands of files. > > Once build times are down to 5 - 15 minutes you don't need distributed compiling. The link step is typically the most expensive anyway, so distributed compiling doesn't get you much. > > sorry for the noise. > > - erik > > I just dont get it. How does distributed linking not help? -- Lay low and nourish in obscurity From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <5d375e920811150419vc78552bi3ad502917c44ace8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:19:20 +0100 From: Uriel To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: <4f34febc0811142229t656f5514k81294a5ed3fe0d5f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4f34febc0811142229t656f5514k81294a5ed3fe0d5f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys Topicbox-Message-UUID: 43f1c3ac-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 You don't need the crowds for this kind of 'wisdom', google has been one of the main pushers for distributed compilation lately... with ken on board, that is a rather sad thing to waste resources on. uriel On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 7:29 AM, John Barham wrote: > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:34 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> this is just stupifying: >> >> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1029797&cid=25761431 > > I see that this comment has been voted +4 "informative". > > Truly a shining example of the web 2.0 wisdom of crowds at work! > > John > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:06:19 +0100 From: Enrico Weigelt To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <20081117060619.GG20728@nibiru.local> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys Topicbox-Message-UUID: 46aa50dc-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 * erik quanstrom wrote: Hi, > this is just stupifying: > > http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1029797&cid=25761431 gcc is a mess, right. But is there an usable alternative ? cu -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Enrico Weigelt == metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: http://patches.metux.de/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:56:29 +0800 From: "Rogelio Serrano" To: weigelt@metux.de, "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: <20081117060619.GG20728@nibiru.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081117060619.GG20728@nibiru.local> Subject: Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys Topicbox-Message-UUID: 46ba7b38-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Enrico Weigelt wrote: > * erik quanstrom wrote: > > Hi, > >> this is just stupifying: >> >> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1029797&cid=25761431 > > gcc is a mess, right. But is there an usable alternative ? > > > cu there is llvm im more inclined towards hacking on ACK though > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Enrico Weigelt == metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: > http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce > Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: > http://patches.metux.de/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- Lay low and nourish in obscurity From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:38:45 +0100 From: thagonzo@gmx.at In-Reply-To: <20081117060619.GG20728@nibiru.local> Message-ID: <20081117083845.237170@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081117060619.GG20728@nibiru.local> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys Topicbox-Message-UUID: 46c322d8-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > * erik quanstrom wrote: > > Hi, > > > this is just stupifying: > > > > http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1029797&cid=25761431 > > gcc is a mess, right. But is there an usable alternative ? pcc, http://pcc.ludd.ltu.se/ > > > cu -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal f�r Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <140e7ec30811171644p44b3c74bnb150b3cfc29ee1db@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:44:48 +0900 From: sqweek To: weigelt@metux.de, "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: <20081117060619.GG20728@nibiru.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081117060619.GG20728@nibiru.local> Subject: Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys Topicbox-Message-UUID: 47c02d2a-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Enrico Weigelt wrote: > * erik quanstrom wrote: > > Hi, > >> this is just stupifying: >> >> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1029797&cid=25761431 > > gcc is a mess, right. But is there an usable alternative ? 8c! http://gsoc.cat-v.org/hg/kenc (Anant, did you have another port as part of Glendix, or am I getting mixed up?) -sqweek From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-Id: From: Anant Narayanan To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: <140e7ec30811171644p44b3c74bnb150b3cfc29ee1db@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:23:39 +0100 References: <20081117060619.GG20728@nibiru.local> <140e7ec30811171644p44b3c74bnb150b3cfc29ee1db@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys Topicbox-Message-UUID: 47c62c66-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > 8c! http://gsoc.cat-v.org/hg/kenc > (Anant, did you have another port as part of Glendix, or am I getting > mixed up?) Yes, 8c & 8l now work on Glendix. Regards, Anant From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <3e1162e60811180629p337ffe58ua26439360b03cff@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:29:28 -0800 From: "David Leimbach" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_70323_25982634.1227018568601" References: <20081117060619.GG20728@nibiru.local> <140e7ec30811171644p44b3c74bnb150b3cfc29ee1db@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys Topicbox-Message-UUID: 47e1b260-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_70323_25982634.1227018568601 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Anant Narayanan wrote: > 8c! http://gsoc.cat-v.org/hg/kenc >> (Anant, did you have another port as part of Glendix, or am I getting >> mixed up?) >> > > Yes, 8c & 8l now work on Glendix. > > Regards, > Anant > Did you port these to ELF or did you make a loader for Plan 9 binaries? ------=_Part_70323_25982634.1227018568601 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Anant Narayanan <anant@kix.in> wrote:
8c! http://gsoc.cat-v.org/hg/kenc
(Anant, did you have another port as part of Glendix, or am I getting
mixed up?)

Yes, 8c & 8l now work on Glendix.

Regards,
Anant
Did you port these to ELF or did you make a loader for Plan 9 binaries?
 

------=_Part_70323_25982634.1227018568601-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <3e1162e60811180641x3047a9ffw177d39acd7128927@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:41:42 -0800 From: "David Leimbach" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: <3e1162e60811180629p337ffe58ua26439360b03cff@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_70623_13739323.1227019302776" References: <20081117060619.GG20728@nibiru.local> <140e7ec30811171644p44b3c74bnb150b3cfc29ee1db@mail.gmail.com> <3e1162e60811180629p337ffe58ua26439360b03cff@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] those funny gnu guys Topicbox-Message-UUID: 47e65856-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_70623_13739323.1227019302776 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 6:29 AM, David Leimbach wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Anant Narayanan wrote: > >> 8c! http://gsoc.cat-v.org/hg/kenc >>> (Anant, did you have another port as part of Glendix, or am I getting >>> mixed up?) >>> >> >> Yes, 8c & 8l now work on Glendix. >> >> Regards, >> Anant >> > Did you port these to ELF or did you make a loader for Plan 9 binaries? > > > Just answered this question for myself by reading the paper at Glendix. Nice! ------=_Part_70623_13739323.1227019302776 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 6:29 AM, David Leimbach <leimy2k@gmail.com> wrote:


On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Anant Narayanan <anant@kix.in> wrote:
8c! http://gsoc.cat-v.org/hg/kenc
(Anant, did you have another port as part of Glendix, or am I getting
mixed up?)

Yes, 8c & 8l now work on Glendix.

Regards,
Anant
Did you port these to ELF or did you make a loader for Plan 9 binaries?
 

Just answered this question for myself by reading the paper at Glendix.  Nice! ------=_Part_70623_13739323.1227019302776--