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From: William Josephson <jkw@eecs.harvard.edu>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] threads vs forks
Date: Fri,  6 Mar 2009 22:01:29 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090307030128.GA64231@mero.morphisms.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090305041633.GA45971@mero.morphisms.net>

On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 11:16:33PM -0500, William K. Josephson wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 11:00:25PM -0500, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > > On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 10:32:55PM -0500, J.R. Mauro wrote:
> > > > What types of things degrade their performance? I'm interested in
> > > > seeing other data than the handful of benchmarks I've seen. I imagine
> > > > writes would be the culprit since you have to erase a whole block
> > > > first?
> > >
> > > Being full.  Small random writes, too, although much more so for
> > > run-of-the-mill SSDs than for FusionIO.
> >
> > [citation needed]
>
> Not really.

To be less flippant, what makes high performance flash difficult
is the slow erasure time and large erasure blocks relative to
the size of individual flash pages.  Being full hurts since the
flash is typically managed by a log structured storage system
with a garbage collector.  Small random writes require updating
the logical->physical mapping efficiently and crash recoverably.
You also need to do copy-on-write which leads to what is commonly
called write amplification, which reduces the usuable number of
writes.  Small writes tend to exacerbate a lot of these problems.

Where does all this fancy stuff belong?  In the storage medium,
in the HBA, in the device driver, in the file system, or in the
application?



  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-07  3:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-03 11:52 hugo rivera
2009-03-03 15:19 ` David Leimbach
2009-03-03 15:32   ` Uriel
2009-03-03 16:15     ` hugo rivera
2009-03-03 15:33   ` hugo rivera
2009-03-03 18:11   ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-03-03 18:38     ` Bakul Shah
2009-03-06 18:47       ` Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-03-06 20:38         ` David Leimbach
2009-03-07  8:00           ` Bakul Shah
2009-03-07  0:21         ` Bakul Shah
2009-03-07  2:20           ` Brian L. Stuart
2009-03-03 23:08     ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-03 23:15       ` Uriel
2009-03-03 23:23         ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-03 23:54           ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-03-04  0:33             ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-04  0:54               ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-04  1:54                 ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-04  3:18                   ` James Tomaschke
2009-03-04  3:30                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-04  4:44                       ` James Tomaschke
2009-03-04  5:05                         ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-04  5:50                           ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-04  6:08                             ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-03-04 16:52                             ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-04 17:14                               ` ron minnich
2009-03-04 17:27                                 ` William Josephson
2009-03-04 18:15                                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-05  3:32                                 ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-05  3:39                                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-05  3:55                                   ` William K. Josephson
2009-03-05  4:00                                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-05  4:16                                       ` William K. Josephson
2009-03-07  3:01                                         ` William Josephson [this message]
2009-03-07  3:31                                           ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-07  6:00                                             ` William Josephson
2009-03-07 13:58                                               ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-07 14:37                                                 ` William Josephson
2009-03-07 15:05                                                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-07 15:28                                                     ` William K. Josephson
2009-03-07  5:00                                           ` lucio
2009-03-07  5:08                                             ` William Josephson
2009-03-07  5:19                                               ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-07  5:45                                                 ` [9fans] Flash William K. Josephson
2009-03-07 14:42                                                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-07 14:56                                                     ` William Josephson
2009-03-07 15:39                                                     ` Russ Cox
2009-03-07 16:34                                                       ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-07  5:24                                               ` [9fans] threads vs forks lucio
2009-03-04  5:19                   ` David Leimbach
2009-03-04  2:47                 ` John Barham
2009-03-04  5:24                 ` blstuart
2009-03-04  5:37                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-04 16:29                   ` Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-03-04 16:56                   ` john
2009-03-06  9:39             ` maht
2009-03-04  5:07     ` David Leimbach
2009-03-04  5:35     ` John Barham
2009-03-03 16:00 ` ron minnich
2009-03-03 16:28   ` hugo rivera
2009-03-03 17:31     ` ron minnich
2009-03-03 16:47 ` John Barham
2009-03-04  9:37   ` Vincent Schut
2009-03-04  9:58     ` hugo rivera
2009-03-04 10:30       ` Vincent Schut
2009-03-04 10:45         ` hugo rivera
2009-03-04 11:15           ` Vincent Schut
2009-03-04 11:33             ` hugo rivera
2009-03-04 13:23               ` Uriel
2009-03-04 14:57         ` ron minnich

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