From: Nathaniel W Filardo <nwf@cs.jhu.edu>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] exportfs security question
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:17:27 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090410151727.GH4823@masters6.cs.jhu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090410120824.GC8655@knaagkever.ueber.net>
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On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 02:08:25PM +0200, Mechiel Lukkien wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 07:48:54AM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > > We haven't brought up SSL yet, so Eve can read our exchanged random
> > > numbers... now these values get shoved into SHA-1 (along with the 56 bits of
> > > entropy from Kn derived from p9any authentication) before being used to make
> > > the SSL secrets... but... that doesn't seem to matter much. Eve sees the
> > > first four, the last four, and knows 1/8th of the middle 8 bytes (p9sk1 gets
> > > an 8-byte secret by unpacking a 7-byte DES key) of the input to the SHA-1
> > > function, meaning... Eve still only needs to do at most 2^56 SHA-1
> > > operations to search for our SSL secrets [1]... OK, so Eve can't have
> > > precomputed tables to help her out, fair enough, but this still seems
> > > dubious.
> > >
> > > Subsequently, having done all of this, the secrets fed into the SSL stream
> > > contain only 80 bits of entropy, which is itself somewhat small (esp.
> > > relative to the ability of rc4 to use 128 or even 256 bit keys).
> >
> > eve has to do zero computation to get at your plan-text stream.
> > i think they call it transport security for a reason. :-)
>
> he probably means eve as in eavesdropper. alice, bob, eve & friends.
Erm, yes, that... the name collision didn't even occur to me. Sorry. :)
--nwf;
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Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-04-10 8:41 Nathaniel W Filardo
2009-04-10 10:25 ` Steve Simon
2009-04-10 15:18 ` Nathaniel W Filardo
2009-04-10 11:48 ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-10 12:08 ` Mechiel Lukkien
2009-04-10 15:17 ` Nathaniel W Filardo [this message]
2009-04-11 23:24 ` Russ Cox
2009-04-13 4:45 ` lucio
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