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From: Bakul Shah <bakul+plan9@bitblocks.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Petabytes on a budget: JBODs + Linux + JFS
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:07:48 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090921220749.08F7E5B60@mail.bitblocks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:30:25 EDT." <75bd45f10fe4970a189c6824bbadc841@quanstro.net>

On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:30:25 EDT erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>  wrote:
> > > i think the lesson here is don't by cheep drives; if you
> > > have enterprise drives at 1e-15 error rate, the fail rate
> > > will be 0.8%.  of course if you don't have a raid, the fail
> > > rate is 100%.
> > >
> > > if that's not acceptable, then use raid 6.
> >
> > Hopefully Raid 6 or zfs's raidz2 works well enough with cheap
> > drives!
>
> don't hope.  do the calculations.  or simulate it.

The "hopefully" part was due to power supplies, fans, mobos.
I can't get hold of their reliability data (not that I have
tried very hard).  Ignoring that, raidz2 (+ venti) is good
enough for my use.

> this is a pain in the neck as it's a function of ber,
> mtbf, rebuild window and number of drives.
>
> i found that not having a hot spare can increase
> your chances of a double failure by an order of
> magnitude.  the birthday paradox never ceases to
> amaze.

I plan to replace one disk every 6 to 9 months or so. In a
3+2 raidz2 array disks will be swapped out in 2.5 to 3.75
years in the worst case.  What I haven't found is a decent,
no frills, sata/e-sata enclosure for a home system.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-09-21 22:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-14 16:43 erik quanstrom
2009-09-20 20:13 ` Bakul Shah
2009-09-21  3:37   ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-21 17:43     ` Bakul Shah
2009-09-21 18:02       ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-21 18:49         ` Wes Kussmaul
2009-09-21 19:21           ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-21 20:57             ` Wes Kussmaul
2009-09-21 22:42               ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-22 10:59             ` matt
2009-09-21 19:10         ` Bakul Shah
2009-09-21 20:30           ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-21 20:57             ` Jack Norton
2009-09-21 23:38               ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-21 22:07             ` Bakul Shah [this message]
2009-09-21 23:35               ` Eris Discordia
2009-09-22  0:45                 ` erik quanstrom
     [not found]               ` <6DC61E4A6EC613C81AC1688E@192.168.1.2>
2009-09-21 23:50                 ` Eris Discordia
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-09-04  0:53 Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-09-04  1:20 ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-04  9:37   ` matt
2009-09-04 14:30     ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-04 16:54     ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-09-04 12:24   ` Eris Discordia
2009-09-04 12:41     ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-04 13:56       ` Eris Discordia
2009-09-04 14:10         ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-04 18:34           ` Eris Discordia
     [not found]       ` <48F03982350BA904DFFA266E@192.168.1.2>
2009-09-07 20:02         ` Uriel
2009-09-08 13:32           ` Eris Discordia
2009-09-04 16:52   ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-09-04 17:27     ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-04 17:37       ` Jack Norton
2009-09-04 18:33         ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-08 16:53           ` Jack Norton
2009-09-08 17:16             ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-08 18:17               ` Jack Norton
2009-09-08 18:54                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-14 15:50                   ` Jack Norton
2009-09-14 17:05                     ` Russ Cox
2009-09-14 17:48                       ` Jack Norton
2009-09-04 23:25   ` James Tomaschke

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