* Re: [9fans] Scanners [not found] <<3aaafc130911242005m5cfc0d8bs92094b33757711d9@mail.gmail.com> @ 2009-11-25 4:08 ` erik quanstrom 2009-11-25 9:45 ` Peter A. Cejchan ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: erik quanstrom @ 2009-11-25 4:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > Has anyone given thought/attempted to getting newer scanners to work > on Plan 9? Perhaps the SANE library could be used as a base for > something saner (if you'll forgive the pun). i thought that was irony. :-) - erik ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-25 4:08 ` [9fans] Scanners erik quanstrom @ 2009-11-25 9:45 ` Peter A. Cejchan 2009-11-25 11:32 ` Andreas Zell 2009-11-25 14:17 ` Jorden Mauro 2 siblings, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Peter A. Cejchan @ 2009-11-25 9:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs nevertheless, nobody has a working scanner on plan9 ?? ++pac ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-25 4:08 ` [9fans] Scanners erik quanstrom 2009-11-25 9:45 ` Peter A. Cejchan @ 2009-11-25 11:32 ` Andreas Zell 2009-11-25 12:20 ` Peter A. Cejchan 2009-11-25 14:17 ` Jorden Mauro 2 siblings, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Andreas Zell @ 2009-11-25 11:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On 25 Nov., 10:50, tyap...@gmail.com (Peter A. Cejchan) wrote: > nevertheless, nobody has a working scanner on plan9 ?? > ++pac We have working scanner. www.imageaccess.de You can use the Wt25,WT36,Wt42/48 and WT36DS Scanner. Scan via Touchscreen and upload the images to a Plan9 cifs networkshare. AZ. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-25 11:32 ` Andreas Zell @ 2009-11-25 12:20 ` Peter A. Cejchan 2009-11-25 12:26 ` Peter A. Cejchan 2009-11-25 14:28 ` Andreas Zell 0 siblings, 2 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Peter A. Cejchan @ 2009-11-25 12:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs if i understand it right, your scanner is NOT connected directly to a plan9 native box... ++pac ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-25 12:20 ` Peter A. Cejchan @ 2009-11-25 12:26 ` Peter A. Cejchan 2009-11-25 14:34 ` hiro 2009-11-25 14:28 ` Andreas Zell 1 sibling, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Peter A. Cejchan @ 2009-11-25 12:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Peter A. Cejchan <tyapca7@gmail.com> wrote: > if i understand it right, your scanner is NOT connected directly to a > plan9 native box... > > ++pac > this is from your web: Requirement - Software: Java Sun Microsystems; Operating System Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista i got rid from those fsck-ing windoze os several yrs ago, now i want to free last of my boxes still running linux...uggh ++pac ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-25 12:26 ` Peter A. Cejchan @ 2009-11-25 14:34 ` hiro 0 siblings, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: hiro @ 2009-11-25 14:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs I heard that you can free linux with a GNU. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Peter A. Cejchan <tyapca7@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Peter A. Cejchan <tyapca7@gmail.com> wrote: >> if i understand it right, your scanner is NOT connected directly to a >> plan9 native box... >> >> ++pac >> > > this is from your web: > Requirement - Software: Java Sun Microsystems; Operating System > Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista > > i got rid from those fsck-ing windoze os several yrs ago, now i want > to free last of my boxes still running linux...uggh > ++pac > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-25 12:20 ` Peter A. Cejchan 2009-11-25 12:26 ` Peter A. Cejchan @ 2009-11-25 14:28 ` Andreas Zell 2009-11-25 14:33 ` Jorden Mauro ` (2 more replies) 1 sibling, 3 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Andreas Zell @ 2009-11-25 14:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On 25 Nov., 13:34, tyap...@gmail.com (Peter A. Cejchan) wrote: > On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Peter A. Cejchan <tyap...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > if i understand it right, your scanner is NOT connected directly to a > > plan9 native box... > > > ++pac > > this is from your web: > Requirement - Software: Java Sun Microsystems; Operating System > Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista > > i got rid from those fsck-ing windoze os several yrs ago, now i want > to free last of my boxes still running linux...uggh > ++pac The scanner ist connect via 1G ethernet. On the Touchscreen is an Option "Scan to network". The scanner scans direct to a cifs share (aquarella on plan9). No need for spezial software except a Cifs Server. The scanner use smbclient. AZ. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-25 14:28 ` Andreas Zell @ 2009-11-25 14:33 ` Jorden Mauro 2009-11-25 14:44 ` hiro 2009-11-25 16:43 ` Peter A. Cejchan 2009-11-25 16:53 ` ron minnich 2 siblings, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Jorden Mauro @ 2009-11-25 14:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Andreas Zell <zell@imageaccess.de> wrote: > On 25 Nov., 13:34, tyap...@gmail.com (Peter A. Cejchan) wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Peter A. Cejchan <tyap...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > if i understand it right, your scanner is NOT connected directly to a >> > plan9 native box... >> >> > ++pac >> >> this is from your web: >> Requirement - Software: Java Sun Microsystems; Operating System >> Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista >> >> i got rid from those fsck-ing windoze os several yrs ago, now i want >> to free last of my boxes still running linux...uggh >> ++pac > > The scanner ist connect via 1G ethernet. > On the Touchscreen is an Option "Scan to network". > The scanner scans direct to a cifs share (aquarella on plan9). > No need for spezial software except a Cifs Server. > The scanner use smbclient. > > > AZ. > > Not a fun solution if you've already bought a scanner... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-25 14:33 ` Jorden Mauro @ 2009-11-25 14:44 ` hiro 2009-11-25 16:45 ` Peter A. Cejchan 0 siblings, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: hiro @ 2009-11-25 14:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Well, heroin is a lot of fun. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Jorden Mauro <jrm8005@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Andreas Zell <zell@imageaccess.de> wrote: >> On 25 Nov., 13:34, tyap...@gmail.com (Peter A. Cejchan) wrote: >>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Peter A. Cejchan <tyap...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> > if i understand it right, your scanner is NOT connected directly to a >>> > plan9 native box... >>> >>> > ++pac >>> >>> this is from your web: >>> Requirement - Software: Java Sun Microsystems; Operating System >>> Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista >>> >>> i got rid from those fsck-ing windoze os several yrs ago, now i want >>> to free last of my boxes still running linux...uggh >>> ++pac >> >> The scanner ist connect via 1G ethernet. >> On the Touchscreen is an Option "Scan to network". >> The scanner scans direct to a cifs share (aquarella on plan9). >> No need for spezial software except a Cifs Server. >> The scanner use smbclient. >> >> >> AZ. >> >> > > Not a fun solution if you've already bought a scanner... > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-25 14:44 ` hiro @ 2009-11-25 16:45 ` Peter A. Cejchan 0 siblings, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Peter A. Cejchan @ 2009-11-25 16:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs i dont understand you.... sry... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-25 14:28 ` Andreas Zell 2009-11-25 14:33 ` Jorden Mauro @ 2009-11-25 16:43 ` Peter A. Cejchan 2009-11-25 17:03 ` Jack Norton 2009-11-26 0:51 ` cinap_lenrek 2009-11-25 16:53 ` ron minnich 2 siblings, 2 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Peter A. Cejchan @ 2009-11-25 16:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > No need for spezial software except a Cifs Server. > The scanner use smbclient. i repeat: i do not wish to have anything to do with windoze os, nor with smb and other bullshit. sorry for such a rude wording... windoze annoyed me along with other proprietary sw 20+ yrs.... i do share all my outcome publicly... yes, i'm not a millionaire (and my outcome is humble, YES), but several people already acknowledged my work... BTW, if you read up to this point, i would design a book scanner in an other way, especially, no parallel (to scanning lamp) covering glass, but, rather, a roof-like glass construction *( to avoid book damage) and a mirror + sw to convert it to rectangular page.... just my two cents ;-) sry if it's offending, but i'd like to see an open specification for any , be it desktop, scanner. BTW, i consider supporting ONLY windoze a violation of a free business contest law, IMHO.... sry 1 more, i just wted 2 know anybody uses a scnr on NATIVE p9.... ++pac ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-25 16:43 ` Peter A. Cejchan @ 2009-11-25 17:03 ` Jack Norton 2009-11-26 0:51 ` cinap_lenrek 1 sibling, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Jack Norton @ 2009-11-25 17:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Peter A. Cejchan wrote: >> No need for spezial software except a Cifs Server. >> The scanner use smbclient. > > > > i repeat: i do not wish to have anything to do with windoze os, nor > with smb and other bullshit. sorry for such a rude wording... windoze > annoyed me along with other proprietary sw 20+ yrs.... i do share all > my outcome publicly... yes, i'm not a millionaire (and my outcome is > humble, YES), but several people already acknowledged my work... BTW, > if you read up to this point, i would design a book scanner in an > other way, especially, no parallel (to scanning lamp) covering glass, > but, rather, a roof-like glass construction *( to avoid book damage) > and a mirror + sw to convert it to rectangular page.... just my two > cents ;-) > > sry if it's offending, but i'd like to see an open specification for > any , be it desktop, scanner. BTW, i consider supporting ONLY windoze > a violation of a free business contest law, IMHO.... > > sry 1 more, i just wted 2 know anybody uses a scnr on NATIVE p9.... > > ++pac > I checked out the image access site, and it looks like you can scan to FTP, email (built in MTA?), along with the smb method. I actually think thats pretty nice. What on earth is free business contest law (FBCL I suppose)? Does that mean if I only make parts for Ford motor cars, and I completely ignore GM, and also the vast league of Kit Car DIY'ers, I am evil? I like the book scanner idea though, you should jump on that. Much more elegant in my opinion to the 'book open, face up' with camera's from afar method. -Jack ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-25 16:43 ` Peter A. Cejchan 2009-11-25 17:03 ` Jack Norton @ 2009-11-26 0:51 ` cinap_lenrek 1 sibling, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: cinap_lenrek @ 2009-11-26 0:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 282 bytes --] what is the sense of this discussion by the way? here are no scanner drivers for plan9 right know. nobody seems to be working at one. nobody cares if you dont like the solutions/hacks to the problem. so just stop this thread and write a driver if you need one. -- cinap [-- Attachment #2: Type: message/rfc822, Size: 4257 bytes --] From: "Peter A. Cejchan" <tyapca7@gmail.com> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Scanners Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:43:47 +0100 Message-ID: <e56a31560911250843q29ceba2aj76680554c41f3ddd@mail.gmail.com> > No need for spezial software except a Cifs Server. > The scanner use smbclient. i repeat: i do not wish to have anything to do with windoze os, nor with smb and other bullshit. sorry for such a rude wording... windoze annoyed me along with other proprietary sw 20+ yrs.... i do share all my outcome publicly... yes, i'm not a millionaire (and my outcome is humble, YES), but several people already acknowledged my work... BTW, if you read up to this point, i would design a book scanner in an other way, especially, no parallel (to scanning lamp) covering glass, but, rather, a roof-like glass construction *( to avoid book damage) and a mirror + sw to convert it to rectangular page.... just my two cents ;-) sry if it's offending, but i'd like to see an open specification for any , be it desktop, scanner. BTW, i consider supporting ONLY windoze a violation of a free business contest law, IMHO.... sry 1 more, i just wted 2 know anybody uses a scnr on NATIVE p9.... ++pac ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-25 14:28 ` Andreas Zell 2009-11-25 14:33 ` Jorden Mauro 2009-11-25 16:43 ` Peter A. Cejchan @ 2009-11-25 16:53 ` ron minnich 2009-11-25 17:04 ` Brian L. Stuart 2009-11-25 17:20 ` erik quanstrom 2 siblings, 2 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: ron minnich @ 2009-11-25 16:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 6:28 AM, Andreas Zell <zell@imageaccess.de> wrote: > The scanner ist connect via 1G ethernet. > On the Touchscreen is an Option "Scan to network". > The scanner scans direct to a cifs share (aquarella on plan9). > No need for spezial software except a Cifs Server. > The scanner use smbclient. That's neat. It makes sense too, using ethernet almost always seems a better deal than using USB. It's so cheap to put a network stack and ethernet into these devices, and the network stack is doubtless less software than a USB stack ... ron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-25 16:53 ` ron minnich @ 2009-11-25 17:04 ` Brian L. Stuart 2009-11-25 17:08 ` John Floren 2009-11-25 17:12 ` hiro 2009-11-25 17:20 ` erik quanstrom 1 sibling, 2 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Brian L. Stuart @ 2009-11-25 17:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > > The scanner ist connect via 1G ethernet. > > On the Touchscreen is an Option "Scan to network". > > The scanner scans direct to a cifs share (aquarella on > plan9). > > No need for spezial software except a Cifs Server. > > The scanner use smbclient. > > That's neat. It makes sense too, using ethernet almost > always seems a > better deal than using USB. It's so cheap to put a network > stack and > ethernet into these devices, and the network stack is > doubtless less > software than a USB stack ... I definitely agree with this part of it. However, I would much rather see the higher-level protocol be something that is simpler and not tied to any commercial interests. I don't even object to having cifs as an option. But when did it become popular to say that ftp should not be an option for transferring a file? BLS ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-25 17:04 ` Brian L. Stuart @ 2009-11-25 17:08 ` John Floren 2009-11-25 19:04 ` Brian L. Stuart 2009-12-01 19:52 ` Steve Simon 2009-11-25 17:12 ` hiro 1 sibling, 2 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: John Floren @ 2009-11-25 17:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Brian L. Stuart <blstuart@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> > The scanner ist connect via 1G ethernet. >> > On the Touchscreen is an Option "Scan to network". >> > The scanner scans direct to a cifs share (aquarella on >> plan9). >> > No need for spezial software except a Cifs Server. >> > The scanner use smbclient. >> >> That's neat. It makes sense too, using ethernet almost >> always seems a >> better deal than using USB. It's so cheap to put a network >> stack and >> ethernet into these devices, and the network stack is >> doubtless less >> software than a USB stack ... > > I definitely agree with this part of it. However, I would much > rather see the higher-level protocol be something that is simpler > and not tied to any commercial interests. I don't even object > to having cifs as an option. But when did it become popular > to say that ftp should not be an option for transferring a file? > > BLS > > > The basic little flatbed on the website can scan to FTP. I'm not sure why the original poster chose to mention SMB and not FTP, but it's an option. Which is good, because I for one have never been able to get aquarela working properly. John -- "Object-oriented design is the roman numerals of computing" -- Rob Pike ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-25 17:08 ` John Floren @ 2009-11-25 19:04 ` Brian L. Stuart 2009-12-01 19:52 ` Steve Simon 1 sibling, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Brian L. Stuart @ 2009-11-25 19:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > > to having cifs as an option. But when did it become > popular > > to say that ftp should not be an option for > transferring a file? > > The basic little flatbed on the website can scan to FTP. > I'm not sure > why the original poster chose to mention SMB and not FTP, > but it's an > option. DOH! That's what I get for opening my mouth before checking things out. Sorry for the noise, BLS ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-25 17:08 ` John Floren 2009-11-25 19:04 ` Brian L. Stuart @ 2009-12-01 19:52 ` Steve Simon 1 sibling, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Steve Simon @ 2009-12-01 19:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > Which is good, because I for one have never been able to get aquarela > working properly. I have used it quite a few times in the past. however every so often I do find some weird part of the SMB spec which is not implemeted. That said it usually works well. I am happy to look at reports of problems as I have had dealings with the CIFS protocol in the past. -Steve ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-25 17:04 ` Brian L. Stuart 2009-11-25 17:08 ` John Floren @ 2009-11-25 17:12 ` hiro 1 sibling, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: hiro @ 2009-11-25 17:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs I'm using a comparable system here. I have to retrieve the scans with a web interface (but as you say, better than nothing). Standards... On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Brian L. Stuart <blstuart@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> > The scanner ist connect via 1G ethernet. >> > On the Touchscreen is an Option "Scan to network". >> > The scanner scans direct to a cifs share (aquarella on >> plan9). >> > No need for spezial software except a Cifs Server. >> > The scanner use smbclient. >> >> That's neat. It makes sense too, using ethernet almost >> always seems a >> better deal than using USB. It's so cheap to put a network >> stack and >> ethernet into these devices, and the network stack is >> doubtless less >> software than a USB stack ... > > I definitely agree with this part of it. However, I would much > rather see the higher-level protocol be something that is simpler > and not tied to any commercial interests. I don't even object > to having cifs as an option. But when did it become popular > to say that ftp should not be an option for transferring a file? > > BLS > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-25 16:53 ` ron minnich 2009-11-25 17:04 ` Brian L. Stuart @ 2009-11-25 17:20 ` erik quanstrom 2009-11-25 17:47 ` Anthony Sorace 1 sibling, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: erik quanstrom @ 2009-11-25 17:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > That's neat. It makes sense too, using ethernet almost always seems a > better deal than using USB. coraid agrees. except for the "almost" part. - erik ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-25 17:20 ` erik quanstrom @ 2009-11-25 17:47 ` Anthony Sorace 2009-11-25 17:51 ` erik quanstrom ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Anthony Sorace @ 2009-11-25 17:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs where's my ethernet mouse? ;-) On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:20, erik quanstrom <quanstro@coraid.com> wrote: >> That's neat. It makes sense too, using ethernet almost always seems a >> better deal than using USB. > > coraid agrees. except for the "almost" part. > > - erik > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-25 17:47 ` Anthony Sorace @ 2009-11-25 17:51 ` erik quanstrom 2009-11-26 3:48 ` Anthony Sorace 2009-11-25 19:18 ` ron minnich ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: erik quanstrom @ 2009-11-25 17:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Wed Nov 25 12:49:12 EST 2009, anothy@gmail.com wrote: > where's my ethernet mouse? ;-) > how to troll like a pro! - erik ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-25 17:51 ` erik quanstrom @ 2009-11-26 3:48 ` Anthony Sorace 2009-11-26 5:16 ` W B Hacker 0 siblings, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Anthony Sorace @ 2009-11-26 3:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs erik wrote: // how to troll like a pro! see, i was paying attention! bill wrote: // ...a questionable example... if you have a lab of terminals but only one or two have a working sound card and speakers, it can make good sense. first time i saw that was a demo for something unrelated; we were in the real demo before we'd realized what we'd done to get there. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-26 3:48 ` Anthony Sorace @ 2009-11-26 5:16 ` W B Hacker 0 siblings, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: W B Hacker @ 2009-11-26 5:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Anthony Sorace wrote: > erik wrote: > // how to troll like a pro! > > see, i was paying attention! > > bill wrote: > // ...a questionable example... > > if you have a lab of terminals but only one or two have a working > sound card and speakers, it can make good sense. I'm sure it did *at the time*... But have you tried to find even an embedded nano board that has in-bridge-chip audio codec's lately? Where 'lately' is now around ten years-plus? And 'speakers' have becoem tiny, effective - and also very cheap? We've been chopping-off audio jacks on C3 & C7 MB for years to make quite decent low-power 1U servers... too tall for the case otherwise. PITA, that, but we don't use enough of 'em to order them 'unstuffed'. > first time i saw > that was a demo for something unrelated; we were in the real demo > before we'd realized what we'd done to get there. > > ACK .. but time marches on, and there *must* be a few 'shareable' things more current than SB equivalents. How / why not get those examples onto the web page as add-ons if not more germane replacements? DISCLAIMER: My audio gear largely sez 'Marantz' on the front panel, some dates as far back as 1968, only the CD drive is newer than 1975, and CD aside, has SQRT-FA to do with computers. Still sounds sweet though. "Horses for courses" Bill ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-25 17:47 ` Anthony Sorace 2009-11-25 17:51 ` erik quanstrom @ 2009-11-25 19:18 ` ron minnich 2009-11-25 19:49 ` W B Hacker 2009-11-26 22:59 ` [9fans] Scanners Enrico Weigelt 3 siblings, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: ron minnich @ 2009-11-25 19:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Anthony Sorace <anothy@gmail.com> wrote: > where's my ethernet mouse? ;-) I thought it was called drawterm. ron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-25 17:47 ` Anthony Sorace 2009-11-25 17:51 ` erik quanstrom 2009-11-25 19:18 ` ron minnich @ 2009-11-25 19:49 ` W B Hacker 2009-11-26 0:07 ` Charles Forsyth 2009-11-26 22:59 ` [9fans] Scanners Enrico Weigelt 3 siblings, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: W B Hacker @ 2009-11-25 19:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Anthony Sorace wrote: > where's my ethernet mouse? ;-) If Plan9 can 'plumb' a remote sound card, (a questionable example long publicized) I'm sure it can do so with a mouse. 'Questionable example', as I've never quite understood how I'd be able to hear the output of a sound card whose physically-attached speakers where half-way round the world (can we also 'plumb' the analog audio?) - even before the Tet '68 offensive took away much of my hearing. ;-) Bill > > On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:20, erik quanstrom <quanstro@coraid.com> wrote: >>> That's neat. It makes sense too, using ethernet almost always seems a >>> better deal than using USB. >> coraid agrees. except for the "almost" part. >> >> - erik >> >> > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-25 19:49 ` W B Hacker @ 2009-11-26 0:07 ` Charles Forsyth 2009-11-26 4:55 ` W B Hacker ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Charles Forsyth @ 2009-11-26 0:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans >If Plan9 can 'plumb' a remote sound card, (a questionable example long >publicized) I'm sure it can do so with a mouse. it isn't plumbing, but export/import, and it's useful. i had a usable sound system on my r3000 indigo, but my PC had none. on the pc, i imported the indigo's /dev and played sounds that way. i could imagine uses even a continent away (alarm system imports remote /dev and announces trouble). next door might be more useful. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-26 0:07 ` Charles Forsyth @ 2009-11-26 4:55 ` W B Hacker 2009-11-26 6:39 ` [9fans] remote access to audio devices Sam Watkins 2009-11-26 13:03 ` [9fans] Scanners Ethan Grammatikidis 2009-11-26 20:23 ` [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners] Tim Newsham 2 siblings, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: W B Hacker @ 2009-11-26 4:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Charles Forsyth wrote: >> If Plan9 can 'plumb' a remote sound card, (a questionable example long >> publicized) I'm sure it can do so with a mouse. > > it isn't plumbing, but export/import, and it's useful. > i had a usable sound system on my r3000 indigo, but my PC had none. > on the pc, i imported the indigo's /dev and played sounds that way. > i could imagine uses even a continent away (alarm system imports remote > /dev and announces trouble). next door might be more useful. > > Welll - in the same room, it would seem 'sneakernet' would do well enough. Point of fact, I use three kdb,vid,mouse and ... a swivel chair... less confusing than sharing/switching among three disparate OS'en. ;-) And I've actually considered remote audio I/O as part of a system for monitoring a house that sits empty for months at a time, and responding to the doorbell .. intrusion, et al ... but.. 'edge cases', both, if ever were. Easy enough to do without Plan9. 'Too easy' to be fair. 'export/import' applied to remote resources - especially 'scarce' or expensive ones (sound cards no longer are..) that could *send back* the results might make a better present-day example. If we could identify a few... Couple of thoughts: - hardware crypto devices (cheap and cheerful in recent VIA CPU, seldom seen otherwise) - fast, specialty (expensive) graphics processing engines for storage to file, or streaming-back not (necessarily) remote display. Ray tracing comes to mind... - a 'ration' - free or purchased - of grid or supercomputing resources? (several experts here - I'm not among them) In any case, given that audio codecs are near-as-dammit ubiquitous on commodity, and even 'server grade' and 'embedded' system boards these many years, I think a better example than sharing a Soundblaster-equivalent is overdue. I'm well aware that 'marketing' Plan9 is not really on anyone's radar here .. but there could be a bit more done to convey the availability and value to the like-minded potential fellow-travelers [1]. One benefit might include more current device driver import/devel.. JM2CW Bill [1] FWIW - the 'Blue Gene' Plan9 work deserves better publicity. If/as/when one hears that a certain 'hobby' alleged-OS is being run on such expensive kit, one tends to question why it was even built... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* [9fans] remote access to audio devices 2009-11-26 4:55 ` W B Hacker @ 2009-11-26 6:39 ` Sam Watkins 2009-11-26 8:59 ` W B Hacker 0 siblings, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Sam Watkins @ 2009-11-26 6:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs VNC or similar "remote desktop" with sound support can be useful for things like pair-programming over then internet, if you are working on an app or game that uses sound. Sam ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] remote access to audio devices 2009-11-26 6:39 ` [9fans] remote access to audio devices Sam Watkins @ 2009-11-26 8:59 ` W B Hacker 2009-12-01 20:44 ` Steve Simon 0 siblings, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: W B Hacker @ 2009-11-26 8:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Sam Watkins wrote: > VNC or similar "remote desktop" with sound support can be useful for things > like pair-programming over then internet, if you are working on an app or game > that uses sound. > > Sam > > VNC can (has been) be a butt-saver' - but pales in comparison to remote desktop / remote X for relative responsiveness and seamlessness. (And we are speaking cross-platform, as Plan9 <=> Plan9 doesn't necessarily need either..) Bill ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] remote access to audio devices 2009-11-26 8:59 ` W B Hacker @ 2009-12-01 20:44 ` Steve Simon 2009-12-01 22:28 ` Ethan Grammatikidis 0 siblings, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Steve Simon @ 2009-12-01 20:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > VNC can (has been) be a butt-saver' - but pales in comparison to remote desktop > / remote X for relative responsiveness and seamlessness. My experience of serving a Windows desktop to a plan9 terminal is that TightVNC with the DFMirage "Mirror driver" works really well. -Steve ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] remote access to audio devices 2009-12-01 20:44 ` Steve Simon @ 2009-12-01 22:28 ` Ethan Grammatikidis 2009-12-02 0:26 ` Patrick Kelly 0 siblings, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Ethan Grammatikidis @ 2009-12-01 22:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On 1 Dec 2009, at 8:44 pm, Steve Simon wrote: >> VNC can (has been) be a butt-saver' - but pales in comparison to >> remote desktop >> / remote X for relative responsiveness and seamlessness. > > My experience of serving a Windows desktop to a plan9 terminal > is that TightVNC with the DFMirage "Mirror driver" works really well. I've had responsiveness issues when the viewing machine hasn't enough CPU power to decode the screen data in real-time. A lot of power seems to be needed, my PDA, a 416MHz ARM can't cope with any compression at all, I have to limit vncviewer to copyrect and raw encodings only. Encoding doesn't seem to need half as much CPU power. I ran Xvnc on a headless server with a 400MHz AMD K6 with no issues that I recall. All that gear was using either TightVNC or the plain vnc-x.y.z.tar.gz from RealVNC. When using Vine Server on a 466MHz Apple screen updates are not really adequate, while the mouse pointer lags if I use the VNC server supplied with OS X Tiger on the same machine. x0vncserver is a known problem server which I haven't used, IIRC it basically works by taking screenshots continuously and sending those. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] remote access to audio devices 2009-12-01 22:28 ` Ethan Grammatikidis @ 2009-12-02 0:26 ` Patrick Kelly 2009-12-02 3:00 ` Sam Watkins 0 siblings, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Patrick Kelly @ 2009-12-02 0:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Dec 1, 2009, at 17:28, Ethan Grammatikidis <eekee57@fastmail.fm> wrote: > > On 1 Dec 2009, at 8:44 pm, Steve Simon wrote: > >>> VNC can (has been) be a butt-saver' - but pales in comparison to >>> remote desktop >>> / remote X for relative responsiveness and seamlessness. >> >> My experience of serving a Windows desktop to a plan9 terminal >> is that TightVNC with the DFMirage "Mirror driver" works really well. > > I've had responsiveness issues when the viewing machine hasn't > enough CPU power to decode the screen data in real-time. A lot of > power seems to be needed, my PDA, a 416MHz ARM can't cope with any > compression at all, I have to limit vncviewer to copyrect and raw > encodings only. Encoding doesn't seem to need half as much CPU > power. I ran Xvnc on a headless server with a 400MHz AMD K6 with no > issues that I recall. Now I don't have any expertise with VNC, but decoding anything, is supposed to take less time than encoding it. I would check into that. > > All that gear was using either TightVNC or the plain vnc- > x.y.z.tar.gz from RealVNC. When using Vine Server on a 466MHz Apple > screen updates are not really adequate, while the mouse pointer > lags if I use the VNC server supplied with OS X Tiger on the same > machine. x0vncserver is a known problem server which I haven't used, > IIRC it basically works by taking screenshots continuously and > sending those. > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] remote access to audio devices 2009-12-02 0:26 ` Patrick Kelly @ 2009-12-02 3:00 ` Sam Watkins 2009-12-25 9:50 ` Ethan Grammatikidis 0 siblings, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Sam Watkins @ 2009-12-02 3:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: >I've had responsiveness issues when the viewing machine hasn't enough CPU >power to decode the screen data in real-time. A lot of power seems to be >needed, my PDA, a 416MHz ARM can't cope with any compression at all, I have >to limit vncviewer to copyrect and raw encodings only. The Java tightvnc client works fine on my little eee pc, so I would think the native client should run well enough on a toaster. Maybe it uses floating point and the ARM pda in question doesn't have hardware floating point. Sam ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] remote access to audio devices 2009-12-02 3:00 ` Sam Watkins @ 2009-12-25 9:50 ` Ethan Grammatikidis 0 siblings, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Ethan Grammatikidis @ 2009-12-25 9:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On 2 Dec 2009, at 3:00 am, Sam Watkins wrote: > Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: >> I've had responsiveness issues when the viewing machine hasn't >> enough CPU >> power to decode the screen data in real-time. A lot of power >> seems to be >> needed, my PDA, a 416MHz ARM can't cope with any compression at >> all, I have >> to limit vncviewer to copyrect and raw encodings only. > > The Java tightvnc client works fine on my little eee pc, so I would > think the > native client should run well enough on a toaster. Maybe it uses > floating > point and the ARM pda in question doesn't have hardware floating > point. > > Sam > Java sometimes does turn up trumps where C code struggles on machines which were recently considered powerful. Other examples would be web browsing and Flash video. Now the web supports alternative style sheets to present a simpler layout on mobile devices and Flash supports a supports a video format which takes less work to decode - YouTube offers it as an option. Perhaps the Java TightVNC client declines the trickier encodings, exactly as I have to pass options to the C client to do. By default the C TightVNC and RealVNC clients assume "we can has cycles," which leaves me wondering quite what situations have sufficient computing power with such measly bandwidth as to make the 'heavy' encodings worthwhile. Sorry for the late reply, had to ignore email to get other things in order. -- freedesktop.org, because unix doesn't make things harder enough. Ethan Grammatikidis eekee57@fastmail.fm ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-26 0:07 ` Charles Forsyth 2009-11-26 4:55 ` W B Hacker @ 2009-11-26 13:03 ` Ethan Grammatikidis 2009-11-26 20:23 ` [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners] Tim Newsham 2 siblings, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Ethan Grammatikidis @ 2009-11-26 13:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs >> If Plan9 can 'plumb' a remote sound card, (a questionable example >> long >> publicized) I'm sure it can do so with a mouse. > > it isn't plumbing, but export/import, and it's useful. > i had a usable sound system on my r3000 indigo, but my PC had none. > on the pc, i imported the indigo's /dev and played sounds that way. > i could imagine uses even a continent away (alarm system imports > remote > /dev and announces trouble). next door might be more useful. Another useful example is drawterm. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners] 2009-11-26 0:07 ` Charles Forsyth 2009-11-26 4:55 ` W B Hacker 2009-11-26 13:03 ` [9fans] Scanners Ethan Grammatikidis @ 2009-11-26 20:23 ` Tim Newsham 2009-11-26 20:33 ` Tim Newsham 2009-11-26 23:39 ` Enrico Weigelt 2 siblings, 2 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Tim Newsham @ 2009-11-26 20:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > it isn't plumbing, but export/import, and it's useful. > i had a usable sound system on my r3000 indigo, but my PC had none. > on the pc, i imported the indigo's /dev and played sounds that way. > i could imagine uses even a continent away (alarm system imports remote > /dev and announces trouble). next door might be more useful. I personally would like to see a lot more in the way of remote resource access using 9p and I'm working towards that by writing software for windows, linux and android. Its a slightly different use case than typical plan9 setup: ie my terminal has some devices and I push them to a cpu server so programs run there can access local resources. Instead you have resources on several machines that you own (and who doesnt own several machines these days, heck even my non-tech relatives do) and you import them to use them as necessary. I've been playing around with sound a lot as a starting point but I am hoping to move on to other devices soon. In my current prototypes I can import sound devices from (android, windows, linux oss) onto another (android, windows, linux oss) machine and either replace the current audio subsystem or offer the remote audio as an additional audio device. Why should all of your machines need a dvd drive, sound card, sdcard reader, etc.? Tim Newsham | www.thenewsh.com/~newsham | thenewsh.blogspot.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners] 2009-11-26 20:23 ` [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners] Tim Newsham @ 2009-11-26 20:33 ` Tim Newsham 2009-11-26 23:39 ` Enrico Weigelt 1 sibling, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Tim Newsham @ 2009-11-26 20:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > I personally would like to see a lot more in the way of remote > resource access using 9p and I'm working towards that by writing > software for windows, linux and android. Its a slightly different > use case than typical plan9 setup: ie my terminal has some I meant to add here that the planB guys probably have some experience here that would be worth hearing. Tim Newsham | www.thenewsh.com/~newsham | thenewsh.blogspot.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners] 2009-11-26 20:23 ` [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners] Tim Newsham 2009-11-26 20:33 ` Tim Newsham @ 2009-11-26 23:39 ` Enrico Weigelt 2009-11-27 4:36 ` Tim Newsham 1 sibling, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Enrico Weigelt @ 2009-11-26 23:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs * Tim Newsham <newsham@lava.net> wrote: Hi, > I personally would like to see a lot more in the way of remote > resource access using 9p and I'm working towards that by writing > software for windows, linux and android. actually, that's also my primary focus here. Not the OS itself, but carry the amazing concepts to other worlds. > I've been playing around with sound a lot as a starting point > but I am hoping to move on to other devices soon. Great! Do you have any (maybe usable) code yet ? cu -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT service -- http://www.metux.de/ phone: +49 36207 519931 email: weigelt@metux.de mobile: +49 174 7066481 icq: 210169427 skype: nekrad666 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Embedded-Linux / Portierung / Opensource-QM / Verteilte Systeme ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners] 2009-11-26 23:39 ` Enrico Weigelt @ 2009-11-27 4:36 ` Tim Newsham 2009-11-27 5:30 ` Enrico Weigelt 0 siblings, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Tim Newsham @ 2009-11-27 4:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: weigelt, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs >> I've been playing around with sound a lot as a starting point >> but I am hoping to move on to other devices soon. > > Great! Do you have any (maybe usable) code yet ? I have lots of code, but its unpublished proprietary at this point (aside from the bits that I've released on this mailing list). > cu Tim Newsham | www.thenewsh.com/~newsham | thenewsh.blogspot.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners] 2009-11-27 4:36 ` Tim Newsham @ 2009-11-27 5:30 ` Enrico Weigelt 0 siblings, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Enrico Weigelt @ 2009-11-27 5:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs * Tim Newsham <newsham@lava.net> wrote: > >>I've been playing around with sound a lot as a starting point > >>but I am hoping to move on to other devices soon. > > > >Great! Do you have any (maybe usable) code yet ? > > I have lots of code, but its unpublished proprietary at > this point (aside from the bits that I've released on this > mailing list). maybe you could put it into an git repo and publish it ? cu -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT service -- http://www.metux.de/ phone: +49 36207 519931 email: weigelt@metux.de mobile: +49 174 7066481 icq: 210169427 skype: nekrad666 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Embedded-Linux / Portierung / Opensource-QM / Verteilte Systeme ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-25 17:47 ` Anthony Sorace ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2009-11-25 19:49 ` W B Hacker @ 2009-11-26 22:59 ` Enrico Weigelt 3 siblings, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Enrico Weigelt @ 2009-11-26 22:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs * Anthony Sorace <anothy@gmail.com> wrote: > where's my ethernet mouse? ;-) Well, it already would be a good start if mice spoke 9P ;-) (actually, that's what we're going to do on software/driver side in the gpm-ng project) cu -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT service -- http://www.metux.de/ phone: +49 36207 519931 email: weigelt@metux.de mobile: +49 174 7066481 icq: 210169427 skype: nekrad666 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Embedded-Linux / Portierung / Opensource-QM / Verteilte Systeme ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Scanners 2009-11-25 4:08 ` [9fans] Scanners erik quanstrom 2009-11-25 9:45 ` Peter A. Cejchan 2009-11-25 11:32 ` Andreas Zell @ 2009-11-25 14:17 ` Jorden Mauro 2 siblings, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Jorden Mauro @ 2009-11-25 14:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 11:08 PM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote: >> Has anyone given thought/attempted to getting newer scanners to work >> on Plan 9? Perhaps the SANE library could be used as a base for >> something saner (if you'll forgive the pun). > > i thought that was irony. :-) > > - erik > > Here's your irony: P9 needs more APIs with TLAs and FLAs to make it more marketable. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
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* Re: [9fans] remote access to audio devices [not found] <<F7BCB408-74FB-4E3C-BBAF-C52E0C2A15B3@fastmail.fm> @ 2009-12-25 9:57 ` erik quanstrom 2009-12-25 14:49 ` Jorden Mauro 2009-12-26 3:39 ` Anthony Sorace 0 siblings, 2 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: erik quanstrom @ 2009-12-25 9:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > Java sometimes does turn up trumps where C code struggles on machines > which were recently considered powerful. Other examples would be web what? - erik ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] remote access to audio devices 2009-12-25 9:57 ` [9fans] remote access to audio devices erik quanstrom @ 2009-12-25 14:49 ` Jorden Mauro 2010-01-05 12:10 ` Enrico Weigelt 2009-12-26 3:39 ` Anthony Sorace 1 sibling, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Jorden Mauro @ 2009-12-25 14:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs; +Cc: 9fans On Dec 25, 2009, at 4:57 AM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote: >> Java sometimes does turn up trumps where C code struggles on machines >> which were recently considered powerful. Other examples would be web > > what? > Could be talking about GC? I saw a paper once that described speedups in X11 when hooked up to the Boehm collector. I'm always sceptical about these kinds of claims. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] remote access to audio devices 2009-12-25 14:49 ` Jorden Mauro @ 2010-01-05 12:10 ` Enrico Weigelt 0 siblings, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Enrico Weigelt @ 2010-01-05 12:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs * Jorden Mauro <jrm8005@gmail.com> wrote: > I saw a paper once that described speedups > in X11 when hooked up to the Boehm collector. hmm, do you know how did it and if there's any code on that yet ? cu -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT service -- http://www.metux.de/ phone: +49 36207 519931 email: weigelt@metux.de mobile: +49 174 7066481 icq: 210169427 skype: nekrad666 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Embedded-Linux / Portierung / Opensource-QM / Verteilte Systeme ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] remote access to audio devices 2009-12-25 9:57 ` [9fans] remote access to audio devices erik quanstrom 2009-12-25 14:49 ` Jorden Mauro @ 2009-12-26 3:39 ` Anthony Sorace 2009-12-27 10:07 ` Ethan Grammatikidis 1 sibling, 1 reply; 48+ messages in thread From: Anthony Sorace @ 2009-12-26 3:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Dec 25, 2009, at 04:57, erik quanstrom wrote: >> Java sometimes does turn up trumps where C code struggles on machines >> which were recently considered powerful. Other examples would be web > > what? from the rest of his post, i gather that the claim isn't that Java vs. C code of equivalent quality has C lagging, but rather that some application written in Java can beat an application of vaguely equivalent description written in C. the VNC examples given say, basically, that the Java app performs better out of the box than the C app, but it seems to just be about picking better (for that particular case) defaults. i guess my question is really what this observation is intended to illustrate. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] remote access to audio devices 2009-12-26 3:39 ` Anthony Sorace @ 2009-12-27 10:07 ` Ethan Grammatikidis 0 siblings, 0 replies; 48+ messages in thread From: Ethan Grammatikidis @ 2009-12-27 10:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On 26 Dec 2009, at 3:39 am, Anthony Sorace wrote: > On Dec 25, 2009, at 04:57, erik quanstrom wrote: > >>> Java sometimes does turn up trumps where C code struggles on >>> machines >>> which were recently considered powerful. Other examples would be web >> >> what? > > from the rest of his post, i gather that the claim isn't that Java > vs. C code of equivalent > quality has C lagging, but rather that some application written in > Java can beat an > application of vaguely equivalent description written in C. the VNC > examples given > say, basically, that the Java app performs better out of the box > than the C app, but it > seems to just be about picking better (for that particular case) > defaults. > > i guess my question is really what this observation is intended to > illustrate. > > Yes, that would be what I meant. Thanks for writing that Anthony, these things are all pretty clear in my head, but writing them out clearly is quite hard work. -- Ethan Grammatikidis eekee57@fastmail.fm ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 48+ messages in thread
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