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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:20:32 -0700
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Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan ? (was: native install)
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On Monday 29 March 2010 14:09:32 erik quanstrom wrote:
> > Day to day computer work will not generally be done on a Plan9 terminal
> > until Glenda finally overcomes her profoundly crippling case of
> > automysophobia.
> >
<snip>
>
> unless you're going to do something about this, you're just
> trolling.
>

(c8=

Heheh... when it's critical of other existing projects and systems -
which goes on all the time here - it's o.k.; but when it's critical of
plan 9, it's known as 'trolling'.

<wink>

> i find plan 9 to be a very effective environment.  i use it
> all day, every day.
>
> if you don't, the logical choices are to (a) do something about
> it or (b) do something else.
>

In any given social environment, communicating dissatisfaction of
the status quo is often the logical first step towards choices (a)
and/or (b) - due to the fact that going off on one's own to work
alone in a vacuum on a major undertaking is generally recognized
as an inherently ill-fated strategy.

> imho, it just doesn't make sense to add this kind of stuff
> to plan 9.  it dimishes something very valuable in plan 9
> (simplicity) and we already know where to get gnu stuff.
>

Understood, and appreciated.

I guess the situation is that there appears to be plenty of people who
_imagine_ something "very valuable" in seeing the base Plan 9 concepts
and idioms being applied within a different context beyond that of
rigorous 'radical purity and simplicity' - yet after 15 years, there still is
no experimental general purpose Plan 9 distributions/projects under way.

Is it that the core Plan 9 design concepts[1] are in fact inappropriate or
uninteresting for anything beyond that which Plan 9 currently provides?

The answer continues to blow in the wind.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Bell_Labs#Design_concepts