From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Corey To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 18:21:54 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.1 (Linux/2.6.32-gentoo-r1; KDE/4.4.1; i686; ; ) References: <138575261003230627kb81c42q7710df1af4283919@mail.gmail.com> <201003291720.32633.corey@bitworthy.net> <93b909d2c8147deb5026860ed6cf0c5b@ladd.quanstro.net> In-Reply-To: <93b909d2c8147deb5026860ed6cf0c5b@ladd.quanstro.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201003291821.54838.corey@bitworthy.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan ? (was: native install) Topicbox-Message-UUID: f8240b18-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Monday 29 March 2010 17:24:08 erik quanstrom wrote: > > In any given social environment, communicating dissatisfaction of > > the status quo is often the logical first step towards choices (a) > > and/or (b) - due to the fact that going off on one's own to work > > alone in a vacuum on a major undertaking is generally recognized > > as an inherently ill-fated strategy. > > except that these same arguments have been going on for as long > as i have read this list and no one has done anything about it. > after 15+ years, i think it's fair to ask "where's the beef?" > "Where's the beef?" is certainly a fair and reasonable thing to ask. What I'm wondering, however, is "_what's_ the beef?" As you said, these arguments have indeed been going on for some time - so, why only talk and no action? It's weird. I can't help but wonder: where's the crux of the inertia? Are the core Plan 9 design concepts in fact ineffective or unsuitable for building a general purpose computing environment? I find that very hard to believe - but there's over 15 years of evidence which seems to imply just that. No one's willing to spearhead a "General Purpose 9" experiment, and no one's interested in collaborating on and contributing to such a project? "If you want [general purpose], you know where to get it." seems to be the period that ends all such discussion.