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From: tlaronde@polynum.com
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan ? (was: native install)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 20:03:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100330180355.GA1840@polynum.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100330100711537842.76e697c6@yahoo.co.uk>

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:07:11AM -0700, Albert Skye wrote:
> > order is unnatural
>
> The Origins of Order: Self-Organization and Selection in Evolution
> by Stuart A. Kauffman
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Origins-Order-Self-Organization-Selection-Evolution/dp/0195079515

order is unnatural for things lacking a conscience or a soul (in french,
non animated; I don't know if the sense is correct in english). Entropy.

For human societies, the less organized they are, the less human
they are---the ones with the less conscience are the ones who kill, who
steal, who stock exchange and so on. Do you want to live in Somalia,
in the City, etc.?

When it is forbidden to forbid, egoism rules, hence non-egoists die.

Without a conscience, you don't know that you are and can be a part of
the whole; a part of an organized whole. Nobody knows everything
by his own genius, but because there are things he inherited from the
previous ones; and he can go farther, by taking over (the relay). Not by
sitting on the bleachers with two pounds of pop-corn.

In software, when there is no more someone who understands the whole and
is able to keep the whole as an entity, pieces start being taken apart,
because savages want to put a graffiti on the building; the same way a
dog urinate on things that emerge to tell: "it's mine".

Back to software: how many developers are we _really_ relying upon the
work? For myself, if I count the original ones (Unix/C, Plan9, TeX and
al., CERL GRASS [ancestor of KerGIS]), this is less than 20... for something
like a bit more than half a century of "computer science"... And for each
piece of software I really use, there were a maximum of 3 core people
involved, with one leading.

And to "maintain" this, some claim there are "communities" with
hundreds, if not thousands of "developers"---when for the huge majority,
it will be enough to call them programmers.

And there is even "software creationism": the thing exists, not when
there is working code, but as soon as you have written that it will be
delivered under the holy licence.

I'm getting old...
--
Thierry Laronde (Alceste) <tlaronde +AT+ polynum +dot+ com>
                 http://www.kergis.com/
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-03-30 18:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-21 21:33 [9fans] using acme/Mail from plan9port in Linux Lorenzo Bolla
2009-11-21 22:27 ` Mathieu Lonjaret
2009-12-17  7:48   ` Jason Catena
2010-03-23 11:18   ` hugo rivera
2010-03-23 13:02     ` Mathieu Lonjaret
2010-03-23 13:27       ` hugo rivera
2010-03-23 13:37         ` Mathieu Lonjaret
2010-03-23 14:29           ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-23 15:13         ` Steve Simon
2010-03-23 15:41           ` David Leimbach
2010-03-23 16:10             ` Steve Simon
2010-03-23 16:41           ` Russ Cox
2010-03-23 17:02             ` hugo rivera
2010-03-23 19:47               ` Russ Cox
2010-03-24  9:50                 ` [9fans] VIA Rhine II support? EBo
2010-03-24 10:24                   ` Federico G. Benavento
2010-03-25 18:56                     ` Harri Haataja
2010-03-25 19:08                       ` EBo
2010-03-24  9:59             ` [9fans] native install EBo
2010-03-24 14:56               ` David Leimbach
2010-03-24 15:17                 ` Richard Miller
2010-03-24 15:22                   ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2010-03-24 16:00                     ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-24 16:05                       ` Steve Simon
2010-03-24 19:18                         ` Gabriel Diaz Lopez de la Llave
2010-03-24 19:48                           ` Steve Simon
2010-03-24 20:17                             ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2010-03-24 21:49                               ` David du Colombier
2010-04-09 19:36                             ` Tom West
2010-04-09 20:20                               ` EBo
2010-04-10  2:26                                 ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-10  9:21                                   ` Gabriel Diaz
2010-04-10 12:54                                     ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-10 16:28                                       ` Gabriel Diaz
2010-04-10 19:38                                         ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-11 12:37                                           ` Gabriel Diaz Lopez de la Llave
2010-04-11 15:36                                             ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-11 15:37                                             ` Gabriel Diaz Lopez de la Llave
2010-04-11 15:40                                               ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-24 20:11                           ` EBo
2010-03-24 20:19                             ` John Floren
2010-03-24 20:41                               ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-25  1:21                               ` Jacob Todd
2010-03-25  1:35                                 ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-25 11:15                                   ` Jacob Todd
2010-03-25 13:25                                     ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-25 10:28                                       ` Jacob Todd
2010-03-25 15:43                                         ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-25 13:37                                           ` Jacob Todd
2010-03-25 18:58                                             ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-25 20:04                                               ` Steve Simon
2010-03-25 22:34                                                 ` Jorden Mauro
2010-03-26  6:00                                                   ` Federico G. Benavento
2010-03-25 14:10                                     ` Steve Simon
2010-03-25  1:52                               ` Maht
2010-03-25  2:05                               ` Federico G. Benavento
2010-03-24 22:34                         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2010-03-24 15:23                   ` andrey mirtchovski
2010-03-28 14:32                 ` Georg Lehner
2010-03-28 14:39                   ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-29 19:57                     ` Georg Lehner
2010-03-29 20:21                       ` michael block
2010-03-28 14:44                   ` maht
2010-03-29 20:07                     ` Georg Lehner
2010-03-29 20:16                       ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-29 22:38                         ` Patrick Kelly
2010-03-29 20:52                       ` maht
2010-03-29 20:58                       ` Corey
2010-03-29 20:57                         ` ron minnich
2010-03-29 21:09                         ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-30  0:20                           ` [9fans] Plan ? (was: native install) Corey
2010-03-30  0:24                             ` erik quanstrom
2010-03-30  1:21                               ` Corey
2010-03-30  2:02                                 ` Iruata Souza
2010-03-30  2:07                                 ` Jacob Todd
2010-03-30  6:41                                   ` Corey
2010-03-30  2:17                                 ` Patrick Kelly
2010-03-30  3:10                                   ` Rahul Murmuria
2010-03-30 18:23                                   ` Jack Johnson
2010-03-30 18:25                                     ` Jack Johnson
2010-03-30 18:44                                     ` Patrick Kelly
2010-04-01 10:13                                       ` [9fans] Plan ? William Cowan
2010-03-30  9:28                                 ` [9fans] Plan ? (was: native install) Steve Simon
2010-03-30 10:19                                   ` hugo rivera
2010-03-30 10:33                                     ` Gabriel Diaz Lopez de la Llave
2010-03-30 10:40                                       ` hugo rivera
2010-03-30 11:40                                         ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2010-03-30 12:20                                       ` Patrick Kelly
2010-03-30 12:34                                       ` Steve Simon
2010-03-30 13:28                                         ` tlaronde
2010-03-30 13:45                                           ` Patrick Kelly
2010-03-30 17:07                                           ` Albert Skye
2010-03-30 17:13                                             ` David Leimbach
2010-03-30 18:09                                               ` Nick LaForge
2010-03-30 18:03                                             ` tlaronde [this message]
2010-03-30  2:11                             ` Iruata Souza
2010-04-07 22:52                               ` [9fans] bootiso.s fixed cinap_lenrek
2010-04-08  0:08                                 ` ron minnich
2010-04-08 15:04                                   ` David Leimbach
2010-04-08  1:14                                 ` Iruata Souza
2010-04-08 14:29                                   ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-08 15:05                                     ` David Leimbach
2010-04-08 19:18                                       ` Jorden M
2010-04-08 18:11                                     ` ron minnich
2010-04-08 18:17                                       ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-08 18:28                                         ` Federico G. Benavento
2010-04-08 19:05                                         ` ron minnich
2010-04-08 19:07                                           ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-08 19:36                                           ` cinap_lenrek

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