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From: Bakul Shah <bakul+plan9@bitblocks.com>
Date: Thu,  3 Feb 2011 23:16:05 -0800
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Subject: Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9,
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On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 15:33:57 EST erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>  wrote:
> > I must also say llvm has a lot of functionality. But even so
> > there is a lot of bloat.  Let me just say the bloat is due to
> > many factors but it has far *less* to do with graphs.
> > Download llvm and take a peek.  I think the chosen language
> > and the habits it promotes and the "impedance match" with the
> > problem domain does play a significant role.
>
> do you know of a compiler that uses a
> graph-based approach that isn't huge?

Stalin (source code ~3300 lines). There are others.

> > Or something equivalent. Example: How do you know moving an
> > expression out of a for loop is valid? The optimizer needs to
> > understand the control flow.
>
> is this still a useful thing to be doing?

Yes.