From: Bakul Shah <bakul+plan9@bitblocks.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] sleep/wakeup bug?
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:18:14 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110225091814.3387EB832@mail.bitblocks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:37:39 +0100." <9e5ef05b5cfedd0faa831cc7c0d57f74@plan9.cs.bell-labs.com>
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:37:39 +0100 Sape Mullender <sape@plan9.bell-labs.com> wrote:
> I suppose the use of counting semaphores in sleep/wakeup could
> help in cases like this (but I'm sure there are still plenty of
> other scenarios where they might not help). The value of the
> semaphore would represent something like "number of things to
> do", so acquire(sema) would (atomically) wait until the value
> of sema is greater than zero, then (using compare&swap, or
> doing the whole thing inside an ilock) decrement the semaphore
> and continue.
> Release(sema) will (atomically) increment the semaphore and, if the
> old value was zero, wake up any waiters.
>
> Now, at first glance that looks like a vast improvement over sleep/
> wakeup, but *inside* acquire and release, you'd still have sleep/wakeup
> and you'd still run the risk of waking up just when something else
> managed to grab the semaphore, or waking up something that hasn't
> actually gone to sleep yet.
>
> So, I think you can think of semaphores as a wrapper for sleep/wakeup
> that can be used in some case to make sure that you can indeed safely
> do a free() of some memory (this was, I think what started the whole
> discussion).
wait(sema) & signal(sema) in either order would do proper
synchronization. Not the case with sleep/wakeup -- they are cheaper
though.
> It's taken a long time to get sleep/wakeup bugfree in Plan 9 and
> some of the greatest minds in code verification (formerly at Bell Labs)
> have been called upon to help get it right.
>
> Russ is perfectly correct in the explanations below and it's a good
> exercise to read through it. This stuff is really tricky. Many
> optimization, all of them seemingly correct, failed because of subtle
> race conditions, some of them involving three or more processes.
Is it inherently tricky? Aren't semaphores easier to reason about
and get right?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-02-25 9:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-02-25 5:26 erik quanstrom
2011-02-25 5:47 ` Russ Cox
2011-02-25 5:53 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-25 6:01 ` Russ Cox
2011-02-25 6:12 ` erik quanstrom
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[not found] ` <40925e8f64489665bd5bd6ca743400ea@coraid.com>
2011-02-25 6:51 ` Russ Cox
2011-02-25 7:13 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-25 14:44 ` Russ Cox
2011-02-25 8:37 ` Sape Mullender
2011-02-25 9:18 ` Bakul Shah [this message]
2011-02-25 14:57 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-25 16:09 ` Venkatesh Srinivas
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-02-24 22:01 erik quanstrom
2011-02-25 4:46 ` Russ Cox
2011-02-25 9:46 ` Richard Miller
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