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Subject: Re: [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: Re: spaces in filenames
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On Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:39:07 PM erik quanstrom wrote:
> On Thu Apr 28 15:30:38 EDT 2011, dexen.devries@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday 28 of April 2011 20:50:14 Brian L. Stuart wrote: > Life is
> > too short to configure and compile Linux and > GNU software.
> >
> > or spending days on choosing a computer with all the hardware
> > supported.  oh wait.
>
> that's not how you do it.  you spend about the normal amount
> of time checking, and then when you get the machine you fix
> what's left.  :-)
>
> i've just configured an new xeon 1155, which has had a nic
> that wasn't quite supported (pch2 lan + 82579 phy), and a
> wierd lapic/ioapic configuration.
>
> all told, it was only about a day to get it working.
>
> now i could have spend that amount of time with an os that might
> have supported everything out-of-the-box, but it's doubtful that i'd
> have it even configured yet.
>

I'd be more excited about quick compile times on plan 9 when
I can use plan 9 to check my bank account, watch youtube
videos, and order movie tickets or pizza over the web.  But I
still need a loonix box to do those things, so I still need to
suffer the horrors of glibc[1] and ~760M kernel sources - which
is unfortunate.

I understand why plan 9 avoids posix and unix and gtk+ and
the gnu toolchain - or flash, or firefox, etc., etc. - but it would
be nice if it had fuller, more complete support for "the web".

I wish AWE would manifest.  APE - "a posix environment" vs.
AWE - "a web(kit) environment".  Alas, if wishes were fishes...
(we'd all be rich fishermen).

Though I don't understand why folks around here complain about
"linux" so often and so vehemently, when the only reason why you're
complaining is because you _need_ linux... to furnish all the things
you can't do with plan 9 - either personally, or within your organization.


[1] For those gnashing teeth over glibc - might want to check out
musl libc.  It's no plan 9 libc, but it's definitely "less worse" than glibc.