From: Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] _xinc vs ainc
Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 16:10:19 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110507231019.298C0B827@mail.bitblocks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 07 May 2011 18:47:54 EDT." <e1a9cc06540e2f7da4e2c5cf2389a00f@ladd.quanstro.net>
On Sat, 07 May 2011 18:47:54 EDT erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
> > Just guessing. May be the new code allows more concurrency? If the
> > value is not in the processor cache, will the old code block other
> > processors for much longer? The new code forces caching with the first
> > read so may be high likelyhood cmpxchg will finish faster. I haven't
> > studied x86 cache behavior so this guess could be completely wrong.
> > Suggest asking on comp.arch where people like Andy Glew can give you a
> > definitive answer.
>
> according to intel, this is a myth. search for "myth" in this page.
>
> http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/implementing-scalable-atomic-locks-f
> or-multi-core-intel-em64t-and-ia32-architectures/
>
> and this stands to reason, since both techniques revolve around a
> LOCK'd instruction, thus invoking the x86 architectural MESI(f)
> protocol.
>
> the difference, and my main point is that the loop in ainc means
> that it is not a wait-free algorithm. this is not only sub optimal,
> but also could lead to incorrect behavior.
I think a more likely possibility for the change is to have a
*copy* of what was incremented. lock incl 0(ax) won't tell you
what the value was when it was incremented.
But I don't see how the change will lead to an incorrect behavior.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-05-07 23:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-05-07 13:05 erik quanstrom
2011-05-07 19:33 ` Bakul Shah
2011-05-07 22:47 ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-07 23:10 ` Bakul Shah [this message]
2011-05-08 0:25 ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-08 1:24 ` Bakul Shah
2011-05-08 2:44 ` Venkatesh Srinivas
2011-05-08 6:00 ` ron minnich
2011-05-08 13:14 ` erik quanstrom
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