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From: dexen deVries <dexen.devries@gmail.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Mousing is faster than typing but users do not believe it
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:28:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201106152128.06673.dexen.devries@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=FzFLn-HCauQTOJiWH6dwPSD1drA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wednesday 15 June 2011 20:16:49 Connor Lane Smith wrote:
> (...) The optimal
> solution is to use *both* the mouse and keyboard, because they each
> have their advantages. Doesn't that seem reasonable?

Yep.


It's the FWD vs. RWD drive depacle all over again. You can stunts drive with
RWD, you can ride safer with FWD. But for general use AWD is optimal.



On Wednesday 15 June 2011 20:37:10 Harri Haataja wrote:
> It is ridiculous. And I never think what keys I hit. I think "browser,
> messages, back to image editing" without even forming words and the
> desktops change, the flicker being just slow enough to see if any
> screen has changed. I think "change two words to xxx yyy" and the
> words change. If you asked me what keys did that, then I'd actually
> have to think about it.
>
> And it seems to even work if I'm stuck in an alien OS. E.g. alien
> browser shortcuts like ^T ^W ^C ^V also just happen. I might have to
> think what the shortcuts are for a CAD program I rarely use.
>
> It's just like playing a musical instrument; the fingers know their
> way through things you've just learned and things you didn't even know
> you remembered alike, but you may have no idea what the actual notes
> are any more. It's a choice between having a language the machine
> understands and having RSI-inducing dragging around of a brick.

In other news, VisualBasic 6 makes one more productive than Lisp. No, really,
VB programmers on average produce daily 10 times as much Lines of Code as
Lispers, ergo are more productive. And every line of code takes a VBer much
shorter to write, so again it's clearly more productive.</sarcasm>


Please have a look at the original post:
http://www.asktog.com/TOI/toi06KeyboardVMouse1.html

It's about appearances. Typety-typety makes us feel good. Keyboarding around
switches off (or busy-waits) a part of our brain, while providing nice tactile
and quantized visual (every character stop) stimuli in regular interval. It
feels faster, because that's how our brain is wired to measure time.

Of course noone argues for mousing through long, hierarhical menus; that's
obviously slow.



--
dexen deVries

``One can't proceed from the informal to the formal by formal means.''



  reply	other threads:[~2011-06-15 19:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-15 16:23 David Leimbach
2011-06-15 16:27 ` Jacob Todd
2011-06-15 20:19   ` errno
2011-06-15 20:30     ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-06-15 20:54       ` errno
2011-06-16  5:46     ` Charles Forsyth
2011-06-16  8:54       ` errno
2011-06-15 16:48 ` dexen deVries
2011-06-15 17:10   ` Jack Norton
2011-06-15 17:16     ` John Floren
2011-06-15 18:05 ` Mauricio CA
2011-06-15 18:16   ` Connor Lane Smith
2011-06-15 18:37     ` Harri Haataja
2011-06-15 19:28       ` dexen deVries [this message]
2011-06-16  9:30 ` antonio.fin
2011-06-16 11:54   ` Gorka Guardiola
2011-06-17  7:57     ` Guilherme Lino
2011-06-17  8:14       ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-06-17  9:16       ` Noah Evans
2011-06-17 14:26         ` ComeauAt9Fans@gmail.com
2011-06-17 13:55       ` Iruatã Souza
2011-06-17 15:39         ` Paul Lalonde
2011-06-17 16:09           ` Iruatã Souza
2011-06-17 16:54           ` Bakul Shah
2011-06-17 16:59             ` Harri Haataja
2011-06-17 17:29               ` andrew zerger
2011-06-17 18:03               ` Bakul Shah
2011-06-21 16:48         ` [9fans] Mousing is faster than typing but users " William Cowan
2011-06-21 17:20           ` Jack Johnson
2011-06-21 17:42             ` errno
2011-06-21 18:04               ` Jack Johnson
2011-06-21 19:42                 ` errno
2011-06-17 18:52       ` [9fans] Mousing is faster than typing but users do " errno
2011-06-17 10:05     ` antonio.fin
2011-06-17 10:44       ` Gorka Guardiola
2011-06-17 10:14 ` Oleg Finkelshteyn
2011-06-17 10:23   ` Rob Pike
2011-06-17 10:33     ` Gabriel Díaz López de la llave
2011-06-17 10:36     ` Rogelio Serrano
2011-06-17 11:19       ` dexen deVries
2011-06-17 12:22         ` hiro
2011-06-17 12:31           ` simon softnet
2011-06-17 19:23             ` Guilherme Lino
2011-06-17 19:34               ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-06-17 20:41               ` dorin bumbu
2011-06-17 20:49                 ` Steve Simon
2011-06-17 19:47 ` John Floren
2011-06-17 21:42   ` David Leimbach
2011-06-17 23:03     ` simon softnet
2011-06-18  0:35       ` David Leimbach
2011-06-18  0:44         ` simon softnet
2011-06-18  0:56     ` John Floren
2011-07-04 17:30 ` [9fans] Mousing muscle memory (was: Mousing is faster than typing but users do not believe it) Ethan Grammatikidis
2011-07-04 20:05   ` hiro
2011-07-04 21:21     ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2011-07-04 20:44   ` EBo

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