From: Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Survey: Current Fossil+venti Filesystem
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:47:10 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110623184710.082F0B827@mail.bitblocks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:28:49 PDT." <BANLkTimZTQ8sLsQXqyO3L_0+_VnbVhfDLA@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:28:49 PDT ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The main point I took from the talk they gave was that failure was
> most strongly related to the number of writes in FLASH. If your
> striping strategy is to duplicate writes to each drive, you faced the
> happy prospect of doing a write and having both drives fail at the
> same time. Hard drives have a different way of failing. We've seen
> weirdness like this here, with drives in a bunch of nodes that all
> seem to fail simultaneously, well within rated lifetime. Not cheap
> drives either. Of course that was a little while ago and things seem
> to have gotten better, but it's worth a warning.
All they are saying is to age SSDs at different rate to avoid
correlated failures.
Disk drives have a similar problem in that disks from the same
batch seem to die at a similar age. One issue is that N years
later it is not cost effective to get a replacement disk of
the same size.
Now I think this (dying at the same age) is actually a good
thing! The key is to not wait to replace until they die; just
replace them all when you decide to replace *any*!
zfs helps since it will automatically grow the space (So for
instance, on my home system originally I used a mirror of 2
250GB used IDE disks and another mirror of 2 300GB sata disks,
striped together. I first replaced both IDE disks with bigger
ATA disks. Later I replaced the 300GB sata disks with 1TB
disks and now I have a lot more space to play with).
@work I used ZFS raidz2 on 2TBx6 drives and a 2x80GB SSD
mirror for root + the write intent log (this is a server for
backing up N machines, so write performance is more critical).
Due to a mixup we are using MLC SSDs instead of SLC SSDs (to
be replaced at some point). Not ideal but works well enough.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-06-23 18:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-06-22 13:50 Jack Norton
2011-06-22 14:02 ` erik quanstrom
2011-06-22 15:13 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-07-03 9:07 ` Steve Simon
2011-06-23 8:46 ` David du Colombier
2011-06-23 10:03 ` Richard Miller
2011-06-23 10:35 ` Adrian Tritschler
2011-06-23 14:51 ` Jack Norton
2011-06-23 15:25 ` dexen deVries
2011-06-23 15:27 ` erik quanstrom
2011-06-23 15:57 ` ron minnich
2011-06-23 16:19 ` erik quanstrom
2011-06-23 16:28 ` ron minnich
2011-06-23 16:37 ` erik quanstrom
2011-06-23 18:47 ` Bakul Shah [this message]
2011-06-24 22:44 ` Akshat Kumar
2011-06-23 16:56 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-06-23 16:58 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-06-23 17:02 ` Jack Norton
2011-06-23 17:50 ` erik quanstrom
2011-06-23 15:27 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-06-23 15:57 ` David du Colombier
2011-06-23 16:20 ` smiley
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