Re: [9fans] interesting(?) widgets idea

[Ethan Grammatikidis <eekee57@fastmail.fm>]

On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:45:38 -0400
Anthony Sorace <a@9srv.net> wrote:

> On Jul 13, 2011, at 10:16, Wes Kussmaul <wes@authentrus.com> wrote:
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> > Isn't this a perfect case for letting the user set a parameter,
> > depending upon his/her preference?
>
> No. The choice is between two very different user interaction models. Nobody has claimed that having widgets filling what would otherwise be margins and having them *not* fade would be a good plan. It'd be like setting a parameter to determine whether your editor acted like sam or acme - just pick which to run, instead.

I commented that Plan 9 scrollbars are (more or less) light enough to be like margins themselves, so we already have that as default. If they're too contrasty, that can always be hacked (probably in libframe).

>
> I'm surprised and a bit disappointed that with all the talk I've seen on this topic over the years there haven't been more actual experiments (rio -i being the most ambitious I can think of). The rio code is nice to work with - pick it apart and get hacking.

Yeah. Experimenting has certainly been on my list for a while, but I wasn't well enough to try to understand the libframe code. I'm a lot better now, and experiemting with libframe and rio is closer to the top of my list than ever.