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From: tlaronde@polynum.com
To: lucio@proxima.alt.za,
	Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] rc vs sh
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:34:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120830093451.GA424@polynum.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <736fc64d85aee8903e91a7cb70edcd60@proxima.alt.za>

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 09:41:14AM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote:
>
> The difficult bit for argumentative people to grasp is that the Go
> Team use features that are portable across bourne-like shells, they
> just refuse to commit to that level of compatibility.  On the one
> hand, requiring Bash gives them a reliable grounding and on the other
> if they slip up and use an advanced feature the entire castle doesn't
> come tumbling down on their head.
>

This is indeed what I do. The request for a _subset_ of POSIX.2 is so
that this will work for whatever Bourne like shell is there. When
something doesn't work on an OS, I circumvent using a more limited
subset on all. Bash is used as /bin/sh on a lot of Linuces, and R.I.S.K.
then uses Bash, but with limited POSIX.2 features. (I had to circumvent
some use of regexp because Plan9 APE relies on Plan9 regexp that does not
implement "\{m,n\}" for example. I had to circumvent a peculiarity of
Bash that exists with error when a function has an empty body---adding
just a comment will do...--- Etc.)

But as I said, this is not to argument about Go developers' choices:
they do as they see fit, since I do it this way for myself ;) But an
alternative is not only possible: it exists. (This is neither a plea for
a wide use of R.I.S.K. since it has been published by side-effect: I
didn't want to "support" it for external uses. But if I make a project
public, I publish the framework too...)

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  reply	other threads:[~2012-08-30  9:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-08-28  8:57 Rudolf Sykora
2012-08-28  9:47 ` hiro
2012-08-28  9:52 ` dexen deVries
2012-08-28 10:27   ` Rudolf Sykora
2012-08-28 13:07   ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 13:40     ` Rudolf Sykora
2012-08-28 14:10       ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 14:13         ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 14:52           ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 15:05             ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 15:18               ` Dan Cross
2012-08-28 15:30                 ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 15:45                   ` Dan Cross
2012-08-28 17:43                     ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 18:20                       ` Dan Cross
2012-08-28 18:26                         ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 18:39                           ` Dan Cross
2012-08-28 18:47                             ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 20:42                             ` Jeremy Jackins
2012-08-28 21:20                               ` Dan Cross
2012-08-28 20:40                   ` Uriel
2012-08-28 15:36               ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 15:35                 ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 15:41                   ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-28 15:47                     ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 16:04                       ` hiro
2012-08-28 16:05                   ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 17:46                     ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 18:19                       ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 18:18                         ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 20:44                   ` Uriel
2012-08-31 22:24                     ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-31 23:00                       ` Uriel
2012-08-31 23:15                         ` hiro
2012-08-31 23:56                           ` Matthew Veety
2012-09-02 15:20                             ` suharik
     [not found]                             ` <CAF9FGtS9xYBNzneNPs2eBkkqVGzn5V0FjdEWDYs_EaUu0waRvQ@mail.gmail.c>
2012-09-02 17:25                               ` erik quanstrom
2012-09-02 20:40                                 ` suharik
2012-09-03  7:31                                 ` Rudolf Sykora
2012-09-03  8:22                                   ` dexen deVries
2012-09-03 10:04                                   ` suharik
2012-09-03 10:57                                     ` hiro
     [not found]                                 ` <CAF9FGtRdcFuuefr4q0zFBrkwaQ5a_-w4J-=xqo-MYp+phjQBaA@mail.gmail.c>
2012-09-03 13:42                                   ` erik quanstrom
     [not found]                                 ` <CAF9FGtTFskxpVd_CxGEKpRwfSihVjyREqWwFCmjiWksCKZoDvg@mail.gmail.c>
2012-09-03 13:46                                   ` erik quanstrom
2012-10-25 13:36                                     ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2012-10-25 13:48                                       ` erik quanstrom
2012-09-03  8:32                         ` Balwinder S Dheeman
2012-08-28 16:06             ` tlaronde
2012-08-28 16:12               ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2012-08-28 16:32                 ` tlaronde
2012-08-28 20:43                 ` tlaronde
2012-08-28 18:13               ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-30  6:14                 ` arnold
2012-08-30  7:41                   ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-30  9:34                     ` tlaronde [this message]
2012-08-30 10:26                       ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-30 10:29                         ` tlaronde
2012-08-30 10:50                           ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-30 10:35                         ` Dan Cross
2012-08-28 14:16         ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-28 14:58           ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 14:16         ` dexen deVries
2012-08-28 14:23           ` hiro
2012-08-28 14:34             ` hiro
2012-08-29  9:16   ` Balwinder S Dheeman
2012-08-29 15:10     ` Charles Forsyth
2012-08-29 15:22       ` hiro
2012-08-29 15:34         ` Charles Forsyth
2012-10-25 13:45       ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2012-10-25 13:56       ` dexen deVries
2012-08-28 15:09 ` Dan Cross
     [not found] ` <CAEoi9W6K07ZgNS+7-oeQY3dkedW7qZLnOh79m5J7KCw7os5aEQ@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-28 15:26   ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-28 15:40     ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 15:34       ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-28 18:24     ` dexen deVries
2012-08-28 18:44       ` [9fans] rc's shortcomings (new subject line) erik quanstrom
2012-08-28 19:34         ` dexen deVries
2012-08-29  0:06           ` arisawa
2012-08-29  8:12             ` dexen deVries
2012-08-28 19:41         ` Dan Cross
2012-08-28 20:14           ` Bakul Shah
2012-08-29  1:39             ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-29  1:43               ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-29  2:13               ` Bakul Shah
2012-08-29  2:23                 ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-29  2:44                   ` Bakul Shah
2012-08-29  4:28                     ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-28 20:31           ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2012-09-04 17:27           ` 😜
2012-08-28 19:53         ` Bakul Shah
     [not found]         ` <CAEoi9W5bZE+coAaQA-Be4P_JQoB6TR31GS=gYhq=6BhHNXCRKw@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-28 20:34           ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-28 22:46             ` Bakul Shah
2012-08-29  1:28               ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-29  8:09             ` dexen deVries
2012-08-29  8:38             ` Dan Cross
     [not found]             ` <CAEoi9W5_r=4w5EcdrbKuqD566p=C5KvEEHg72YKzdat18En2-w@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-29 13:57               ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-29 15:07                 ` Charles Forsyth
2012-08-30 10:05                 ` Dan Cross
2012-08-30 10:43                   ` Charles Forsyth
2012-08-30 13:41                   ` dexen deVries
2012-08-30 13:47                     ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-30 14:26                       ` dexen deVries
2012-08-30 14:29                         ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-30 14:24                     ` Dan Cross
     [not found]                     ` <CAEoi9W6NL-zGryJnMrAX3B77bk1bOEMfkv_R7M4W052LZR4yrg@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-30 14:26                       ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-30 14:33                         ` Dan Cross
     [not found]                         ` <CAEoi9W45W0pK7MA2FvxsCVCuRcqw-JxOiEn+JQtWMo0rFcSEpg@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-30 14:41                           ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-30 14:48                             ` dexen deVries
2012-08-30 15:11                               ` sl
2012-08-30 15:13                               ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-30 15:07                                 ` Burton Samograd
2012-08-30 15:13                                 ` Charles Forsyth
2012-08-30 15:14                                   ` Charles Forsyth
2012-08-30 17:02                   ` Bakul Shah
2012-08-30 17:18                     ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-30 20:06                       ` Charles Forsyth
     [not found]                   ` <CAOw7k5jQxJCs64ZjrXp1mU0zTUTG6p7VXYX5ykwQ8OmFATLirg@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-30 20:10                     ` erik quanstrom
     [not found]                 ` <CAEoi9W6c2JaxrTDwR76TjuN9DeBXnO6gueOGCaEh+Fksfb9zqQ@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-30 13:33                   ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-30 14:21                     ` Dan Cross
2012-08-30 14:25                       ` Dan Cross
2012-08-30 14:45                     ` Charles Forsyth
2012-08-30 14:55                       ` Charles Forsyth
     [not found]                   ` <CAEoi9W5AagpdK4aZCYs5tSMESU3yoMe9bmgX3GcphTcYuMq9kQ@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-30 14:34                     ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-30 14:44                     ` erik quanstrom
     [not found]                   ` <CAOw7k5i-JO=bOS8h+S0zdWghCWhSN36uFebMYnzvs=fdNQgA+g@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-31  1:33                     ` erik quanstrom
2012-10-25 14:56 ` [9fans] rc vs sh Ethan Burns
2012-10-25 15:08   ` hiro
2012-10-25 17:02     ` Gorka Guardiola
2012-10-25 17:18       ` Matthew Veety
2012-10-25 17:26         ` John Floren
2012-10-25 19:03           ` hiro
2012-10-25 19:08     ` Skip Tavakkolian

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