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From: tlaronde@polynum.com
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] c++
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:18:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121122161856.GA2012@polynum.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <951e93a6c7f0111c7af4b4be4cfce9ac@brasstown.quanstro.net>

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 11:00:51AM -0500, erik quanstrom wrote:
>
> putting aside that i don't believe that the big problems like war and hunger
> have anything to do with programming errors, ....

There have been already numerous hundreds of millions if not billions of
money losses by financial teams due to software bugs. And since, more
and more, programs make "decisions" based only on superficiality (no
semantics), software acts as an amplifier.

There is the example of big mirrors that are hand polished, not because
a human is less error prone : on the contrary, but because a machine
makes few errors but always the sames, in this case always in the same
area, while a human will make far more errors but random ones, not
localized leading to a more even surface.

>
> and even that aside, can you cite studies that show that the choice of programming
> language is the dominant term in determining the error rate of the resulting
> code?

No, i have none since I'm already too busy programming so I have time to
gain not to loose...

But I will make an assumption: one will find that the most desastrous
software bugs are from the softwares the most widely deployed and
the more "high level" ones; that these are put in the wild because they
are easy and need to catch an audience in the hurry; and that these
have been wanted by people with the most "high level" view of
programming that is the more farther, enforcing the use of the
language "du jour". So the results are biaised: the languages are
not bad by themselves, but because some people use them not by need
and not by understanding the needs, but because this is the mandatory
language of the trend...

--
        Thierry Laronde <tlaronde +AT+ polynum +dot+ com>
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-11-22 16:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-19 22:48 steve
2012-11-20  1:37 ` Jeff Sickel
2012-11-20  2:08   ` Matthew Veety
2012-11-20 10:12     ` Steve Simon
2012-11-22  9:54       ` Balwinder S Dheeman
2012-11-22 10:07         ` lucio
2012-11-22 10:21           ` Nemo
2012-11-22 15:37             ` lucio
2012-11-22 16:19               ` Nemo
2012-11-22 16:31                 ` lucio
2012-11-25  6:09                   ` David Leimbach
2012-11-22 10:39           ` Charles Forsyth
2012-11-22 10:18         ` Lluís Batlle i Rossell
2012-11-22 11:34         ` hiro
2012-11-22 11:57           ` Charles Forsyth
2012-11-22 14:25             ` Dan Cross
2012-11-22 13:13           ` Hugo Rivera
2012-11-22 13:48             ` hiro
2012-11-22 14:22               ` erik quanstrom
2012-11-22 14:38                 ` Dan Cross
2012-11-22 14:47                   ` erik quanstrom
2012-11-22 14:54                     ` Hugo Rivera
2012-11-22 15:47                       ` tlaronde
2012-11-22 16:00                         ` erik quanstrom
2012-11-22 16:11                           ` Bakul Shah
2012-11-22 16:15                           ` lucio
2012-11-22 16:31                             ` erik quanstrom
2012-11-22 17:30                               ` lucio
2012-11-22 16:18                           ` tlaronde [this message]
2012-11-22 16:06                       ` lucio
2012-11-22 16:07                         ` erik quanstrom
2012-11-22 16:12                         ` Hugo Rivera
2012-11-22 16:25                           ` lucio
2012-11-22 16:51                         ` Bakul Shah
2012-11-22 17:16                           ` Charles Forsyth
2012-11-22 17:39                           ` lucio
2012-11-22 17:51                             ` Paul Lalonde
2012-11-22 17:53                               ` hiro
2012-11-22 18:13                                 ` lucio
2012-11-22 18:00                               ` lucio
2012-12-03 13:43                       ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2012-12-03 14:13                         ` Charles Forsyth
2012-12-03 14:58                           ` Kurt H Maier
2012-12-03 15:21                             ` Charles Forsyth
2012-12-03 15:29                               ` Kurt H Maier
2012-12-04 21:36                                 ` hiro
2012-11-22 16:58                     ` Dan Cross
2012-11-22 22:25                       ` erik quanstrom
2012-11-22 14:54                   ` dexen deVries
2012-11-22 17:04                     ` Dan Cross
2012-11-22 17:31                       ` hiro
2012-11-22 17:45                         ` Dan Cross
2012-11-22 17:46                         ` lucio
2012-11-22 20:17                           ` Matthew Veety
2012-11-22 17:42                       ` lucio
2012-11-22 17:44                         ` hiro
2012-11-22 17:47                           ` lucio
2012-11-22 19:55                             ` Kurt H Maier
2012-11-23  3:31                               ` lucio
2012-11-23  3:56                                 ` Kurt H Maier
2012-11-22 17:50                         ` Dan Cross
2012-11-22 17:59                           ` lucio
2012-11-22 18:02                             ` Charles Forsyth
2012-11-22 18:12                               ` lucio
2012-11-22 19:15                                 ` Richard Miller
2012-11-22 21:48                                 ` Bakul Shah
2012-11-22 21:34                               ` Bakul Shah
2012-11-22 16:15                   ` Christopher Nielsen
2012-11-22 17:10                   ` Kurt H Maier
2012-11-22 17:18                     ` Charles Forsyth
2012-11-22 17:22                       ` tlaronde
2012-11-22 17:27                         ` Bakul Shah
2012-11-22 17:45                     ` Dan Cross
2012-11-22 19:55                       ` Kurt H Maier
2012-11-23  9:42                     ` Balwinder S Dheeman
2012-11-22 17:58                   ` lucio
2012-11-22 16:32                 ` Richard Miller
2012-11-22 17:39                   ` hiro
2012-11-22 20:14                   ` Matthew Veety
2012-11-22 15:50           ` lucio
2012-11-22 14:54         ` Bakul Shah
2012-11-22 17:40       ` Pavel Klinkovsky
2012-11-22 18:11         ` tlaronde
2012-11-20 19:58     ` Wes Kussmaul
2012-11-20 20:07       ` tlaronde
2012-11-20 20:17         ` Wes Kussmaul
2012-11-22 12:58         ` Pedro Lamarão
2012-11-20 19:05 ` Bakul Shah
2012-11-20 20:31   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2012-11-20 20:09 ` dexen deVries
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-11-24  1:45 [9fans] C++ Winston Kodogo
2012-11-22 22:32 Winston Kodogo
2012-11-23  3:04 ` Comeau At9Fans
2012-11-23  9:47 ` Gorka Guardiola
2012-11-23 10:21   ` dexen deVries
2012-11-23 13:28     ` Pedro Lamarão
2012-11-23 14:02       ` lucio
2012-11-25  6:03         ` David Leimbach
2012-11-27 17:09     ` Eugene Gorodinsky
2012-11-27 19:57       ` David Leimbach
2012-11-27 20:15         ` Kurt H Maier
2012-12-03 10:02 ` faif
2012-11-19  9:59 [9fans] c++ Steve Simon
2012-11-19 10:10 ` Mathieu Lonjaret
2012-11-19 11:31   ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2012-11-19 10:45 ` iainws
2012-11-19 12:17 ` Balwinder S Dheeman
2012-11-19 12:46   ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2012-11-19 12:55     ` hiro
2012-11-19 13:22   ` cinap_lenrek
2012-11-19 14:58     ` tlaronde
2012-11-19 15:17       ` Bence Fábián
2012-11-19 14:25 ` Robert Raschke
2012-11-19 14:56 ` Calvin Morrison
2012-11-19 14:09   ` cinap_lenrek
2012-11-19 15:38     ` Bence Fábián
2012-11-19 16:45       ` Jeff Sickel
2012-11-19 15:10   ` Kurt H Maier
2012-11-22 14:10     ` David Leimbach
2012-11-22 14:13       ` David Leimbach
2012-11-19 16:21 ` Andrés Domínguez
2012-11-19 20:02 ` Aharon Robbins
2012-11-20  2:24 ` Taj Khattra
2012-11-20  3:47   ` Bruce Ellis

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