[9fans] 3e

[9fans] 3e

[Benjamin Huntsman]

Because I'm a bit of a history buff too, and I'm looking at the Nemo book...
Does anyone remember what the last and final date of the 3rd Edition was, and does anyone have the plan9.9gz and floppies around anymore?

I was also trying to remember, did anyone get it working under VMware, or was that around the time of early 4th Edition?

Anyway, pardon the odd question and thanks in advance!

-Ben

Re: [9fans] 3e

[Steve Simon]

I have a set of floppies somwhere but I don't have a floppy drive
at home, if no one gets there first I and Charles doesn't mind I will
put the images on sources on Monday.

FYI I put some old stuff, though none of it 3rd ed, in /n/sources/steve/historic/*

-Steve

Re: [9fans] 3e

[Charles Forsyth]

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On 10 February 2013 09:18, Steve Simon <steve@quintile.net> wrote:

> Charles doesn't mind I will


it's nothing to do with me: it's bell labs' copyright.

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Re: [9fans] 3e

[steve]

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ok,

i was concerned that there might be issues of "mechanical copyright"
as i bought it from you (VN) - though i don't really understand such laws.

i will copy the disks if i can find a floppy drive.

- Steve

On 10 Feb 2013, at 10:27, Charles Forsyth <charles.forsyth@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On 10 February 2013 09:18, Steve Simon <steve@quintile.net> wrote:
>> Charles doesn't mind I will
>
> it's nothing to do with me: it's bell labs' copyright.
>

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Re: [9fans] 3e

[David du Colombier]

I have a copy of the Third Edition Plan 9 CD and floppy images.
It is dated from 2000-06-07.

I may distribute them if the license permit it.

--
David du Colombier

Re: [9fans] 3e

[Benjamin Huntsman]

Not sure why the licensing question came up.  It was free back then, so I don't know why it wouldn't be now, unless Bell Labs revoked the previous license.

More than anything I was trying to figure out the last release date.  I've got a plan9.9gz file dated 20010327, and some odd patch files, the largest of which is 10140327.9gz dated Oct14, but I'm not sure if that's October 2000 or October 2001.  Was hoping to hear if anyone had anything newer.  Anyway, no worries... just fact-finding.

Many thanks!!

-Ben

Re: [9fans] 3e

[Steve Simon]

> Not sure why the licensing question came up.

My fault, I was just a little unsure about copying the
distribution floppies that VN had produced, I thought
that checking with Charles would be polite.

It turns out its all academic as I can only find the 2nd ed
floppies, the 3rd ed one(s) if I ever had any have disappeared.

Sorry for the noise.

-Steve

Re: [9fans] 3e

[Charles Forsyth]

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On 10 February 2013 23:44, Steve Simon <steve@quintile.net> wrote:

> My fault, I was just a little unsure about copying the
> distribution floppies that VN had produced,
>

I think we only ever did CDs for 3rd.
2nd had floppies, but nothing to do with VN.

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Re: [9fans] 3e

[Venkatesh Srinivas]

How was 3E different from 2E and from 4E?

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Re: [9fans] 3e

[andrey mirtchovski]

> How was 3E different from 2E and from 4E?

roughly (and other's view may differ):

2e + auth + 9p2k = 3e

3e + venti + fossil = 4e

i think factotum and secstore are in the second equation too.

Re: [9fans] 3e

[erik quanstrom]

> 3e + venti + fossil = 4e

what about 9p2000?

- erik

Re: [9fans] 3e

[Skip Tavakkolian]

i've not checked the 3e CD i have, but i'm pretty sure 9p2k was
released with 4e (or just before).

2e to 3e also included a rewrite of acme from original alef to c; and
alef was left behind.

btw, i see 6c in 2nd ed, but it is not mentioned in the compiler
paper; was that the i960?

-Skip

On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 8:10 PM, andrey mirtchovski
<mirtchovski@gmail.com> wrote:
>> How was 3E different from 2E and from 4E?
>
> roughly (and other's view may differ):
>
> 2e + auth + 9p2k = 3e
>
> 3e + venti + fossil = 4e
>
> i think factotum and secstore are in the second equation too.
>

Re: [9fans] 3e

[erik quanstrom]

On Mon Feb 11 00:29:46 EST 2013, skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com wrote:
> i've not checked the 3e CD i have, but i'm pretty sure 9p2k was
> released with 4e (or just before).
>
> 2e to 3e also included a rewrite of acme from original alef to c; and
> alef was left behind.
>
> btw, i see 6c in 2nd ed, but it is not mentioned in the compiler
> paper; was that the i960?

i960, according to 2c(1).

- erik

Re: [9fans] 3e

[David du Colombier]

> How was 3E different from 2E and from 4E?

The different prefaces are a good summary:

http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/man/preface.html
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/man/preface3.html
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/man/preface4.html

> 2e + auth + 9p2k = 3e

9P2000 was part of the Fourth Edition.

> 3e + venti + fossil = 4e

Fossil came out on January 2003, while the Fourth Edition
was released on April 2002.

--
David du Colombier

Re: [9fans] 3e

[M.Stein]

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I have the files 03270425a.9gz, 06170729.9gz, 07291014.9gz and
10140327.9gz
and beside this a file named 'versions', I'm not sure, where it comes
from:

03270425a.9gz  update 988250913 updating 985745432
03270507.9gz  update 989254626 updating 985745432
03270526.9gz  update 991073352 updating 985745432
03270605.9gz  update 991764560 updating 985745432
03270614.9gz
03270910.9gz  update 1000124880 updating 985745432
03271003.9gz  update 1002125437 updating 985745432
03271204.9gz  update 1007472771 updating 985745432
06070617.9gz  full update 961264382 updating 960391385
06170729.9gz  full update 964893367 updating 961264382
07291014.9gz  full update 971556349 updating 961264382
10140327.9gz  full update 985745432 updating 971556349
10141017.9gz  full update 971810713 updating 971556349
10141111.9gz  update 973992256 updating 971556349
10141129.9gz

So following this, 03271204 should be the last update, dated

Tue Dec 4 14:32:51 2001 (taken from the stamp 1007472771)

I hope, this mail helps more, than it confuses :-)

If  You have some other patch files than me, I'm interested in -
I don't have find it at any other place till now...



From:   Benjamin Huntsman <BHuntsman@mail2.cu-portland.edu>
To:     Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>,
Date:   10.02.2013 21:53
Subject:        Re: [9fans] 3e
Sent by:        9fans-bounces@9fans.net



Not sure why the licensing question came up.  It was free back then, so I
don't know why it wouldn't be now, unless Bell Labs revoked the previous
license.

More than anything I was trying to figure out the last release date.  I've
got a plan9.9gz file dated 20010327, and some odd patch files, the largest
of which is 10140327.9gz dated Oct14, but I'm not sure if that's October
2000 or October 2001.  Was hoping to hear if anyone had anything newer.
Anyway, no worries... just fact-finding.

Many thanks!!

-Ben



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