From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 02:39:16 -0500 From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <3b6a67956d8b807d3d3319a395892b67@9srv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Ancient History: "Electronic Mail Without Aliases" Topicbox-Message-UUID: 170546d0-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Does anyone on the list have a copy of or pointer to "Electronic Mail Without Aliases", by Elliott and Lesk? It's referenced in the 8th Edition Unix manual, but I've never read it (and only have vol1 of the manual). From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3b6a67956d8b807d3d3319a395892b67@9srv.net> References: <3b6a67956d8b807d3d3319a395892b67@9srv.net> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 02:25:07 -0500 Message-ID: From: michaelian ennis To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b2e4ab497137304d69b8e84 Subject: Re: [9fans] Ancient History: "Electronic Mail Without Aliases" Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1f2979e4-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --047d7b2e4ab497137304d69b8e84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Maybe it was unpublished? It isn't listed on Professor Lesk's published works page. http://www.lesk.com/mlesk/pub.html Ian --047d7b2e4ab497137304d69b8e84 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe it was unpublished? It isn't listed=A0on Professor L= esk's published works page.=A0

http://www.lesk.com/mlesk/pub.html<= /a>

Ian
--047d7b2e4ab497137304d69b8e84-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <3b6a67956d8b807d3d3319a395892b67@9srv.net> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 02:28:36 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Devon H. O'Dell" To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] Ancient History: "Electronic Mail Without Aliases" Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1f30edb4-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 http://ftp.math.utah.edu/pub///mirrors/minnie.tuhs.org/Documentation/Papers/Email_No_Aliases/ Do I win an internet? --dho From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <3b6a67956d8b807d3d3319a395892b67@9srv.net> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 02:35:32 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Devon H. O'Dell" To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] Ancient History: "Electronic Mail Without Aliases" Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1f379d80-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 2013/2/26 Devon H. O'Dell : > http://ftp.math.utah.edu/pub///mirrors/minnie.tuhs.org/Documentation/Papers/Email_No_Aliases/ FWIW, I googled "Electronic Mail Without Aliases" and only found the references you speak of. So I googled "Electronic Mail" Elliott Lesk, and found a README that referenced the directory of the paper. So I googled the directory and presto chango. Took about 3 minutes. Also in that directory is a paper "The Second Pass of the Portable C Compiler" by John Lions, from 1979. TUHS has cool stuff. --dho From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@9fans.net From: Richard Miller <9fans@hamnavoe.com> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 08:55:19 +0000 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Ancient History: "Electronic Mail Without Aliases" Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1f4b0d7a-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 "An average mail message to a remote site takes 6.8 seconds of 11/70 CPU time ..." Those were the days. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <3b6a67956d8b807d3d3319a395892b67@9srv.net> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:33:34 +0000 Message-ID: From: Charles Forsyth To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e010d84ecfba1f204d69d597d Subject: Re: [9fans] Ancient History: "Electronic Mail Without Aliases" Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1f572d3a-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --089e010d84ecfba1f204d69d597d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 26 February 2013 07:35, Devon H. O'Dell wrote: > So I > googled the directory and presto chango. Took about 3 minutes. > The dates on the file and the file with the e-mail exchange with Lesk suggests the file only turned up there on 14 Feb this year, which probably explains why it wasn't quite so visible before. --089e010d84ecfba1f204d69d597d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

On 26 February 2013 07:35, Devon H. O'Dell <devon.odell@gmail.com> wrote:
So I
googled the directory and presto chango. Took about 3 minutes.

The dates on the file and the file with the e-mail exchange with Lesk suggests the file only turned up there on 14 Feb this year,
which probably explains why it wasn't quite so visible before.
--089e010d84ecfba1f204d69d597d-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: arnold@skeeve.com Message-Id: <201302260935.r1Q9ZB10017288@freefriends.org> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 02:35:11 -0700 To: 9fans@9fans.net References: <3b6a67956d8b807d3d3319a395892b67@9srv.net> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.4 7/29/08 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Ancient History: "Electronic Mail Without Aliases" Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1fcefb62-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > http://ftp.math.utah.edu/pub///mirrors/minnie.tuhs.org/Documentation/Papers/Email_No_Aliases/ I'll take the credit for this. :-) I asked on the TUHS list, was pointed to Mike Lesk, asked him for the paper, and he graciously supplied it. A few people on that list (also on 9fans) supplied pointers to PDF they were able to generate. It was an interesting read. It is absolutely amazing how much was accomplished with so little (a hypothetical dedicated mail machine that would only need 5 meg of disk... :-). If one phrase sums up the Unix and Plan 9 philosophies, it would have to be: Small Is Beautiful Arnold From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 References: <3b6a67956d8b807d3d3319a395892b67@9srv.net> From: Anthony Sorace Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 10:13:20 -0500 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: [9fans] Ancient History: "Electronic Mail Without Aliases" Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1ff500dc-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Yes, this was all put up in response to Arnold's forwarding my inquiry. I wa= sn't on the mail where permission for posting was given, so wasn't sure how w= idely to publicize the delivery. Now that that's all cleared up: much thanks= to Arnold for tracking this down (and Mike Lesk, of course). I have several friends who worked in AT&T's (and later Lucent's) "post group= ", which I'm fairly sure was created in response to this idea growing larger= than the paper anticipated. That group also created the pq database to run t= he thing, version 4 of which, written chiefly by Michael Baldwin and package= d by Matthew Diaz, is sitting in "extra" on sources. I've been working throu= gh unifying two divergent branches of that in preparation for release, which= is what had me asking after the historical context. The exercised turned up some minor bugs in our -ms implementation: 1) The TM cover page wasn't reworked for the fact that the Lucent logo is mu= ch larger than the AT&T one, so it stomps on some header text. 2) Font changes on cover sheets (at least under TM) in .DS displays aren't r= eset on .DE; they are in the body. Pretty sure the body behavior is correct.= 3) The logos are Lucent, not ALU. That may or may not be a bug. :-) Also, the paper used PO fonts we don't seem to have. I swapped in CW and thi= ngs look like I'd expect. If anyone knows what the old PO looked like and ca= n suggest a better substitute, please do. #s 1 and 3 above clearly only matt= er to people writing things for ALU. I took a crack at fixing #2, but my tro= ff isn't up to it.=