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From: tlaronde@polynum.com
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 18:37:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130323173739.GA3314@polynum.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKzdPgyojvH+hDULpvb-EoBej8x-PBaH7YmbRP3y79injJsCzA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 10:15:20AM -0700, Rob Pike wrote:
>
> Yes, it's remarkable how much bigger programs are now than they were
> 20 years ago, but 20 years ago the same things were being said.

Can we conclude that the added power is lost for the result obtained
from the applications, since it is taken by the "machinery"? Just as if
a washing powder giving already a "perfect" result 20 years ago had been
"improved" (from perfect to more than perfect) being able to give a
perfect result even if you make a knot around the heavy dirt before
throwing in the washing-machine: you have a perfectly clean result (as
you could obtain before, but without making the knot), except that
you have to make the knots before and try to unmake them after?

I remember when I started to work in a surveyor office. There was
microstation, back in early 90s, that ran on a DOS extender with a
perfect graphical performance (you were able to work flawlessly,
zooming, panning or whatever). You were never waiting for the
application or the display; it worked faster than your input.

Once Windows "improved" came, it took several years for the computers to
give the very same user experience, by an order of magnitude increase in
power for the "PC". It had to recover from Windows improvements first...
--
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-03-23 17:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-23  9:45 tlaronde
2013-03-23  9:53 ` Richard Miller
2013-03-23  9:56   ` Steve Simon
2013-03-23 21:34     ` tlaronde
2013-03-23 10:05   ` tlaronde
2013-03-23 10:24     ` lucio
2013-03-23 11:40       ` Peter A. Cejchan
2013-03-23 12:25         ` lucio
2013-03-23 16:06         ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2013-03-23 16:09           ` erik quanstrom
2013-03-23 16:19             ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2013-03-23 16:23               ` erik quanstrom
2013-03-23 16:39                 ` Gorka Guardiola
2013-03-23 17:15                   ` Rob Pike
2013-03-23 17:20                     ` erik quanstrom
2013-03-23 19:29                       ` Rob Pike
2013-03-23 19:31                         ` erik quanstrom
2013-03-23 19:34                           ` Rob Pike
2013-03-23 19:33                         ` Rob Pike
2013-03-23 19:39                           ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2013-03-23 19:58                             ` andrey mirtchovski
2013-03-23 20:11                               ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2013-03-24  0:44                         ` Kurt H Maier
2013-03-23 17:23                     ` hiro
2013-03-23 17:30                     ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2013-03-23 17:44                       ` hiro
2013-03-23 17:52                         ` Nemo
2013-03-23 17:31                     ` hiro
2013-03-23 17:33                     ` hiro
2013-03-23 17:37                     ` tlaronde [this message]
2013-03-23 17:55                       ` erik quanstrom
2013-03-23 19:13                         ` andrey mirtchovski
2013-03-23 19:23                           ` ron minnich
2013-03-23 19:56                             ` Gorka Guardiola
2013-03-23 23:45                               ` andrey mirtchovski
2013-03-23 23:58                                 ` Bruce Ellis
2013-03-24  8:49                                 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2013-03-24  9:02                                   ` Steve Simon
2013-03-24  9:22                                     ` lucio
2013-03-30 19:49                                 ` ron minnich
2013-03-25 14:45                             ` Nicolas Bercher
2013-03-23 19:17                         ` Rob Pike
2013-03-23 19:19                           ` Rob Pike
2013-03-23 19:32                           ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2013-03-23 19:37                             ` Rob Pike
2013-03-23 19:43                               ` Rob Pike
2013-03-24  0:46                                 ` Kurt H Maier
2013-03-23 19:45                               ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2013-03-25  9:43                               ` [9fans] mk and transitive dependencies (was: gcc not an option for Plan9) dexen deVries
2013-03-25 10:26                                 ` Gorka Guardiola
2013-03-25 10:33                                   ` hiro
2013-03-25 10:40                                     ` Bence Fábián
2013-03-25 10:42                                       ` Gorka Guardiola
2013-03-25 11:00                                       ` dexen deVries
2013-03-25 10:40                                     ` Gorka Guardiola
2013-03-25 10:43                                     ` dexen deVries
2013-03-25 11:02                                       ` [9fans] mk and transitive dependencies (was: gcc not an option lucio
2013-03-25 11:09                                       ` [9fans] mk and transitive dependencies (was: gcc not an option for Plan9) Bence Fábián
2013-03-25 13:30                                         ` erik quanstrom
2013-03-25 11:16                                       ` tlaronde
2013-03-25 11:55                                         ` Charles Forsyth
2013-03-25 12:10                                           ` tlaronde
2013-03-25 20:37                                       ` Steve Simon
2013-03-25 13:35                                   ` erik quanstrom
2013-03-25 14:38                                     ` andrey mirtchovski
2013-03-25 17:30                                 ` Ori Bernstein
2013-03-23 23:03                           ` [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9 David Leimbach
2013-03-23 19:29                         ` hiro
2013-03-23 17:47                     ` Gorka Guardiola
2013-03-24  0:41                     ` Kurt H Maier
2013-03-24  9:48                     ` tlaronde
2013-03-24 11:56                       ` Dustin Fechner
2013-03-24 12:03                         ` tlaronde
2013-03-23 16:20             ` Gorka Guardiola
2013-03-23 16:37             ` lucio
2013-03-25  5:48           ` Peter A. Cejchan
2013-03-25  6:27             ` lucio
2013-03-25 16:45               ` Kurt H Maier
2013-03-25 19:04                 ` lucio
2013-03-25 19:19                   ` sl
2013-03-25 19:31                     ` aram
2013-03-25 19:35                       ` sl
2013-03-26 22:01                         ` Bence Fábián
2013-03-26 22:05                           ` sl
2013-03-26 22:17                             ` Bence Fábián
2013-03-25 20:18                       ` Kurt H Maier
2013-03-26  4:45                         ` lucio
2013-03-26  6:03                           ` Kurt H Maier
2013-03-26  9:44                           ` iainws
2013-03-26 12:07                           ` sl
2013-03-26 12:11                             ` Rubén Berenguel
2013-03-26 12:16                               ` dexen deVries
2013-03-26 12:16                               ` hiro
2013-03-26 12:20                                 ` Rubén Berenguel
2013-03-26 12:57                               ` Charles Forsyth
2013-03-26 13:04                                 ` Rubén Berenguel
2013-03-26  8:28                       ` dexen deVries
2013-03-25 19:38                   ` erik quanstrom
2013-03-25 19:46                     ` lucio
2013-03-25 19:51                       ` andrey mirtchovski
2013-03-25 19:58                         ` tlaronde
2013-03-25 19:51                     ` sl
2013-03-25 20:13                     ` Kurt H Maier
2013-03-26  9:43               ` Balwinder S Dheeman
2013-03-23 17:08         ` hiro
2013-03-25  5:53           ` Peter A. Cejchan
2013-03-23  9:54 ` Peter A. Cejchan
2013-03-23 10:10   ` tlaronde
2013-03-23 10:15     ` Peter A. Cejchan
2013-03-23 12:17 ` Bakul Shah
2013-03-23 12:48   ` lucio
2013-03-25  1:00 Winston Kodogo
2013-03-25  1:20 ` Dan Cross
2013-03-25  1:24   ` andrey mirtchovski
2013-03-25  1:27     ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2013-03-25  1:36   ` Kurt H Maier
2013-03-25  1:42     ` Dan Cross
2013-03-25  1:45       ` Jacob Todd
2013-03-25  1:47         ` andrey mirtchovski
2013-03-25  1:54       ` Kurt H Maier
2013-03-25  2:02         ` Dan Cross
2013-03-25  2:08           ` Kurt H Maier

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