[9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[Blake McBride]

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Greetings,

I installed 9Front on an old Dell Inspiron 5100.  It seems to run fine.
 While installing it, it asked for dial-up numbers.  Since the machine has
an ethernet card I just typed in random info to get past the prompts.  Now
that it is running, I can't seem to get access to the ethernet network.  (I
am trying to ssh out of it like I do on my VMWare version of 9Front.  The
VMware version works fine.)  I get the impression that 9Front just doesn't
support the ethernet hardware on that machne.  Thought I'd ask.

Thanks.

Blake

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Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[cinap_lenrek]

what network card is in that machine? run the "pci" command and tell
us the vid/did.

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cinap

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[Blake McBride]

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1.0.0:  vid  03.00.00 1002/4c57  11 0:e8000008 134217728 1:0000c001 256
2:fcff0000 65536

Thanks!


On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 1:07 PM, <cinap_lenrek@felloff.net> wrote:

> what network card is in that machine? run the "pci" command and tell
> us the vid/did.
>
> --
> cinap
>
>

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Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[cinap_lenrek]

thats your graphics card (some radeon). i need the ethernet cad.

pci | grep net

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cinap

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[Kurt H Maier]

Quoting Blake McBride <blake@mcbride.name>:

> 1.0.0:  vid  03.00.00 1002/4c57  11 0:e8000008 134217728 1:0000c001 256
> 2:fcff0000 65536
>
> Thanks!


That's a video card, Blake.

khm

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[Blake McBride]

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Sorry.

2.1.0  net  02.00.00  14e4/4401  11  0:faffe000 8192



On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 1:48 PM, <cinap_lenrek@felloff.net> wrote:

> thats your graphics card (some radeon). i need the ethernet cad.
>
> pci | grep net
>
> --
> cinap
>
>

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Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[andrey mirtchovski]

i think you should spell it 9-Front :)

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[cinap_lenrek]

hahaha, excellent ;)

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cinap

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[erik quanstrom]

On Sun Dec 22 14:56:12 EST 2013, blake@mcbride.name wrote:

> Sorry.
>
> 2.1.0  net  02.00.00  14e4/4401  11  0:faffe000 8192
>
>

ladd; pci -v 14e4/4401
14e4/4401
	Broadcom Corporation 	BCM4401 100Base-T

looks to be unsupported.

- erik

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[Blake McBride]

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Okay, thanks!  It is an ancient machine.  Thought it would be a good place
to play with it on.  No sense in messing with it further.


On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 2:04 PM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>wrote:

> On Sun Dec 22 14:56:12 EST 2013, blake@mcbride.name wrote:
>
> > Sorry.
> >
> > 2.1.0  net  02.00.00  14e4/4401  11  0:faffe000 8192
> >
> >
>
> ladd; pci -v 14e4/4401
> 14e4/4401
>         Broadcom Corporation    BCM4401 100Base-T
>
> looks to be unsupported.
>
> - erik
>
>

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Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[erik quanstrom]

> Okay, thanks!  It is an ancient machine.  Thought it would be a good place
> to play with it on.  No sense in messing with it further.

here's what works with plan 9
- ancient cards tend to work, esp. ne2000-style which
are used in vms.
- nearly any intel
- realtek 8139/8169
- just a few broadcom parts
- a few marvel yukon parts
- myricom 10gbe

some realtek or intel cards are really dirt cheep these days.
or fleabay.

- erik

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[Blake McBride]

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Just for grins, without a network card, how can I mount/read/write to a DOS
formatted USB drive?

Thanks.


On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 2:31 PM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>wrote:

> > Okay, thanks!  It is an ancient machine.  Thought it would be a good
> place
> > to play with it on.  No sense in messing with it further.
>
> here's what works with plan 9
> - ancient cards tend to work, esp. ne2000-style which
> are used in vms.
> - nearly any intel
> - realtek 8139/8169
> - just a few broadcom parts
> - a few marvel yukon parts
> - myricom 10gbe
>
> some realtek or intel cards are really dirt cheep these days.
> or fleabay.
>
> - erik
>
>

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Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[cinap_lenrek]

the control and data/partition files appear appear
under /dev/sdU*.

in 9front, dos partition gets automounted and appears
as /shr/sdU*. no action needed.

in labs plan9, theres a usbfat: script to read the
partition table and mounts it.

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Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[Blake McBride]

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Thanks.  I am using 9front on that machine.  On /shr I have:

    d usb
    d usbnet

Under /shr/usb I have:

    d sdU6.0
    - usbevent

Under /shr/usb/sdU6.0 I have:

    - ctl
    - data
    - raw

Under /dev/sdU6.0 I also have:

    - ctl
    - data
    - raw


I don't know what to do from here.

Thanks.






On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:30 PM, <cinap_lenrek@felloff.net> wrote:

> the control and data/partition files appear appear
> under /dev/sdU*.
>
> in 9front, dos partition gets automounted and appears
> as /shr/sdU*. no action needed.
>
> in labs plan9, theres a usbfat: script to read the
> partition table and mounts it.
>
> --
> cinap
>
>

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Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[cinap_lenrek]

looks like theres no dos partition. there might be a problem
reading the drive or there might not be a dos partition there.
run the following command:

disk/fdisk -p /dev/sdU6.0/data

that should print something like:

part dos 31 4030031

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cinap

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[Blake McBride]

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Thanks.  I freshly formatted the drive with a DOS partition and put some
files on it for testing.  It reads fine on another machine.  When I issued
your command I got:

part dos 63 31301613

Also, where is a good place to read about formatting, mounting, accessing,
flushing, and unmounting?

Thanks.



On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 5:13 PM, <cinap_lenrek@felloff.net> wrote:

> looks like theres no dos partition. there might be a problem
> reading the drive or there might not be a dos partition there.
> run the following command:
>
> disk/fdisk -p /dev/sdU6.0/data
>
> that should print something like:
>
> part dos 31 4030031
>
> --
> cinap
>
>

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Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[cinap_lenrek]

thats strange. when you plug in the drive, the nusbrc script
started the usb disk filesystem and run that fdisk command to
register the partitions. for some reason, the partitions
step failed. but when you run it manually later it wored.

the drive might be sensitive to the timing?

can you pull and replug the drive and see if there are any
error messages on the console?

as a work arround for now, you can try doing this manually:

diskparts /dev/sdU6.0
dossrv
mount -c /srv/dos /n/usb /dev/sdU6.0/dos
cd /n/usb

the dos filesystem does not do write buffering so there is
no need to flush. (see dossrv(4))

mounts are local to the namespace. you can remove something
from the namespace with the unmount command (see bind(1))
or you just close the whole namespace (close the rio window).

for documentation on formating and partitioning disks see prep(8).

--
cinap

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[Blake McBride]

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On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 6:03 PM, <cinap_lenrek@felloff.net> wrote:

> thats strange. when you plug in the drive, the nusbrc script
> started the usb disk filesystem and run that fdisk command to
> register the partitions. for some reason, the partitions
> step failed. but when you run it manually later it wored.
>

I don't get the last two words "it worked" (I presume).  After I execute
your command, I still don't see it under /shr/sdU*


> the drive might be sensitive to the timing?
>
> can you pull and replug the drive and see if there are any
> error messages on the console?
>

I don't know what "console" is.  I don't see anything at my Plan-9 Shell
(RC) or on the screen in general.


>
> as a work arround for now, you can try doing this manually:
>
> diskparts /dev/sdU6.0

dossrv


> mount -c /srv/dos /n/usb /dev/sdU6.0/dos

cd /n/usb


Worked.  Thanks!


>
>
> the dos filesystem does not do write buffering so there is
> no need to flush. (see dossrv(4))
>
> mounts are local to the namespace. you can remove something
> from the namespace with the unmount command (see bind(1))
> or you just close the whole namespace (close the rio window).
>
> for documentation on formating and partitioning disks see prep(8).
>
> --
> cinap
>
>

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Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[Skip Tavakkolian]

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On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Blake McBride <blake@mcbride.name> wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 6:03 PM, <cinap_lenrek@felloff.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> the drive might be sensitive to the timing?
>>
>> can you pull and replug the drive and see if there are any
>> error messages on the console?
>>
>
> I don't know what "console" is.  I don't see anything at my Plan-9 Shell
> (RC) or on the screen in general.
>
>
>
see definition of console: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_console

FYI, it is Plan 9 (i.e. there's a space between); also the shell is rc, not
RC.

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Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[Blake McBride]

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On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <
skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Blake McBride <blake@mcbride.name> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 6:03 PM, <cinap_lenrek@felloff.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> the drive might be sensitive to the timing?
>>>
>>> can you pull and replug the drive and see if there are any
>>> error messages on the console?
>>>
>>
>> I don't know what "console" is.  I don't see anything at my Plan-9 Shell
>> (RC) or on the screen in general.
>>
>>
>>
> see definition of console: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_console
>


Just in case you are serious about your comment, I understand what a
"console" is in the most generic terms, i.e. your wikipedia reference.

I also understand that Plan 9 (not Plan-9) has a number of servers.  I
presume a console would be a window into said server.  All this is utterly
useless unless I know the command to get a "console" window into the server
he is referring to.  I need the command.

Actually, if you can read, you'd see that I moved on from this issue.



>
> FYI, it is Plan 9 (i.e. there's a space between); also the shell is rc,
> not RC.
>

While you're at it; is it "9-Front" (as Andrey said above) and "9-Atom"?
 So, space with "Plan 9" and dash with the other two?

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Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[andrey mirtchovski]

> While you're at it; is it "9-Front" (as Andrey said above) and "9-Atom"?
> So, space with "Plan 9" and dash with the other two?

both 9᠎Front and 9᠎Atom use U+180E, Mongolian Vowel Separator, to
stand between the digit and the letters. it is a zero-length space
signifying the major departure from the original canon.

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[Blake McBride]

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I use ASCII.  Take your pick on how I display the three.


On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 9:37 PM, andrey mirtchovski
<mirtchovski@gmail.com>wrote:

> > While you're at it; is it "9-Front" (as Andrey said above) and "9-Atom"?
> > So, space with "Plan 9" and dash with the other two?
>
> both 9᠎Front and 9᠎Atom use U+180E, Mongolian Vowel Separator, to
> stand between the digit and the letters. it is a zero-length space
> signifying the major departure from the original canon.
>
>

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Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[Skip Tavakkolian]

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On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Blake McBride <blake@mcbride.name> wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <
> skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Blake McBride <blake@mcbride.name>wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 6:03 PM, <cinap_lenrek@felloff.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> the drive might be sensitive to the timing?
>>>>
>>>> can you pull and replug the drive and see if there are any
>>>> error messages on the console?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know what "console" is.  I don't see anything at my Plan-9 Shell
>>> (RC) or on the screen in general.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> see definition of console: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_console
>>
>
>
> Just in case you are serious about your comment, I understand what a
> "console" is in the most generic terms, i.e. your wikipedia reference.
>
> I also understand that Plan 9 (not Plan-9) has a number of servers.  I
> presume a console would be a window into said server.  All this is utterly
> useless unless I know the command to get a "console" window into the server
> he is referring to.  I need the command.
>

As it says in the first paragraph, it is: "display device for system
administration messages, particularly those from the BIOS or boot loader
...".

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Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[Kurt H Maier]

Quoting Blake McBride <blake@mcbride.name>:

> I use ASCII.

Not on 9front, you don't.

khm

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[cinap_lenrek]

the fdisk command i gave you could read the partition table fine.
(it didnt register them, just print)

the code thats handling the automounting (/shr) should'v discovered
the partitions by running the same command but apparently that didnt
work. (otherwise, the dos partition should'v shown up in /dev/sdU*)

i can not reproduce this on my systems and i need further information
to debug this issue.

i would like you to:

  pulling and replugging the usb device and watch the screen to see
  if there are messages showing up. (you can also run cat /dev/kprint in a rio
  window to capture the console output (make sure to make the window
  scrolling))

  try a different dos formatted usb drive.

--
cinap

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[Matthew Veety]

On Mon, 23 Dec 2013, Kurt H Maier wrote:

> Quoting Blake McBride <blake@mcbride.name>:
>
>> I use ASCII.
>
> Not on 9front, you don't.
>
> khm
>
>

Well isn't the lower bit of UTF ASCII?

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Veety

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[Steffen Daode Nurpmeso]

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Blake McBride <blake@mcbride.name> wrote:
 |I don't know what "console" is.  I don't see anything at my Plan-9 Shell
 |(RC) or on the screen in general.

Note that Francisco J. Ballesteros has written an excellent book
on operating systems [1] that i also should read in total:

 «Introduction to Operating Systems Abstractions.
  Using Plan 9 from Bell Labs.

  <http://lsub.org/who/nemo/>
  <http://lsub.org/who/nemo/papers.html>
  [1] <http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.intro.pdf>

--steffen

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On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 6:03 PM, <cinap_lenrek@felloff.net> wrote:

> thats strange. when you plug in the drive, the nusbrc script
> started the usb disk filesystem and run that fdisk command to
> register the partitions. for some reason, the partitions
> step failed. but when you run it manually later it wored.
>

I don't get the last two words "it worked" (I presume).  After I execute
your command, I still don't see it under /shr/sdU*


> the drive might be sensitive to the timing?
>
> can you pull and replug the drive and see if there are any
> error messages on the console?
>

I don't know what "console" is.  I don't see anything at my Plan-9 Shell
(RC) or on the screen in general.


>
> as a work arround for now, you can try doing this manually:
>
> diskparts /dev/sdU6.0

dossrv


> mount -c /srv/dos /n/usb /dev/sdU6.0/dos

cd /n/usb


Worked.  Thanks!


>
>
> the dos filesystem does not do write buffering so there is
> no need to flush. (see dossrv(4))
>
> mounts are local to the namespace. you can remove something
> from the namespace with the unmount command (see bind(1))
> or you just close the whole namespace (close the rio window).
>
> for documentation on formating and partitioning disks see prep(8).
>
> --
> cinap
>
>

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Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[Steffen Daode Nurpmeso]

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andrey mirtchovski <mirtchovski@gmail.com> wrote:
 |both 9␦Front and 9␦Atom use U+180E, Mongolian Vowel Separator, to
 |stand between the digit and the letters. it is a zero-length space
 |signifying the major departure from the original canon.

No, no longer -- it has become a control character in Unicode 6.3.0.

--steffen

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From: andrey mirtchovski <mirtchovski@gmail.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 20:37:40 -0700
Message-ID: <CAK4xykXpseHFwqFDLX1WUsYLxhVwp4UbyvYCX+tb6ih9biFGeQ@mail.gmail.com>

> While you're at it; is it "9-Front" (as Andrey said above) and "9-Atom"?
> So, space with "Plan 9" and dash with the other two?

both 9᠎Front and 9᠎Atom use U+180E, Mongolian Vowel Separator, to
stand between the digit and the letters. it is a zero-length space
signifying the major departure from the original canon.

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[erik quanstrom]

> As it says in the first paragraph, it is: "display device for system
> administration messages, particularly those from the BIOS or boot loader
> ...".

in plan 9, typically the directly-attached kvm, serial or cec is considered the
console.  exception: when you're running rio, you don't see the console.

perhaps you're running rio, so this exception is confusing.

- erik

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[erik quanstrom]

On Sun Dec 22 22:38:41 EST 2013, mirtchovski@gmail.com wrote:
> > While you're at it; is it "9-Front" (as Andrey said above) and "9-Atom"?
> > So, space with "Plan 9" and dash with the other two?
> 
> both 9᠎Front and 9᠎Atom use U+180E, Mongolian Vowel Separator, to
> stand between the digit and the letters. it is a zero-length space
> signifying the major departure from the original canon.

great troll aside, i spell it 9atom.  i don't think of it as a "major departure".
the only major difference was erased when the labs distribution upgraded to
21-bit runes.  the point of it is only to boot on more hardware.  and
regretfully, this stuff hasn't made it into the distribution.

- erik

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[erik quanstrom]

> FYI, it is Plan 9 (i.e. there's a space between); also the shell is rc, not
> RC.

would imagine the latter is phone "autocorrect."

- erik

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[Blake McBride]

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Great pointers.  Thanks.


On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 3:34 AM, Steffen Daode <sdaoden@gmail.com> wrote:

> Blake McBride <blake@mcbride.name> wrote:
>  |I don't know what "console" is.  I don't see anything at my Plan-9 Shell
>  |(RC) or on the screen in general.
>
> Note that Francisco J. Ballesteros has written an excellent book
> on operating systems [1] that i also should read in total:
>
>  «Introduction to Operating Systems Abstractions.
>   Using Plan 9 from Bell Labs.
>
>   <http://lsub.org/who/nemo/>
>   <http://lsub.org/who/nemo/papers.html>
>   [1] <http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.intro.pdf>
>
> --steffen
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Blake McBride <blake@mcbride.name>
> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
> Cc:
> Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 19:43:07 -0600
> Subject: Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue
> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 6:03 PM, <cinap_lenrek@felloff.net> wrote:
>
>> thats strange. when you plug in the drive, the nusbrc script
>> started the usb disk filesystem and run that fdisk command to
>> register the partitions. for some reason, the partitions
>> step failed. but when you run it manually later it wored.
>>
>
> I don't get the last two words "it worked" (I presume).  After I execute
> your command, I still don't see it under /shr/sdU*
>
>
>> the drive might be sensitive to the timing?
>>
>> can you pull and replug the drive and see if there are any
>> error messages on the console?
>>
>
> I don't know what "console" is.  I don't see anything at my Plan-9 Shell
> (RC) or on the screen in general.
>
>
>>
>> as a work arround for now, you can try doing this manually:
>>
>> diskparts /dev/sdU6.0
>
> dossrv
>
>
>> mount -c /srv/dos /n/usb /dev/sdU6.0/dos
>
> cd /n/usb
>
>
> Worked.  Thanks!
>
>
>>
>>
>> the dos filesystem does not do write buffering so there is
>> no need to flush. (see dossrv(4))
>>
>> mounts are local to the namespace. you can remove something
>> from the namespace with the unmount command (see bind(1))
>> or you just close the whole namespace (close the rio window).
>>
>> for documentation on formating and partitioning disks see prep(8).
>>
>> --
>> cinap
>>
>>
>
>

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Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[Blake McBride]

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On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:52 PM, <cinap_lenrek@felloff.net> wrote:

> the fdisk command i gave you could read the partition table fine.
> (it didnt register them, just print)
>
> the code thats handling the automounting (/shr) should'v discovered
> the partitions by running the same command but apparently that didnt
> work. (otherwise, the dos partition should'v shown up in /dev/sdU*)
>
> i can not reproduce this on my systems and i need further information
> to debug this issue.
>
> i would like you to:
>
>   pulling and replugging the usb device and watch the screen to see
>   if there are messages showing up. (you can also run cat /dev/kprint in
> a rio
>   window to capture the console output (make sure to make the window
>   scrolling))
>

I am using vanilla 9front.  I believe it is rio.  I tried putting it in and
out and there is no message on the screen.
I tried cat /dev/kprint and that too did not display anything.

As I mentioned, when plugged in, for some reason, I am getting:

    /shr/usb/sdU6.0/ctl
    /shr/usb/sdU6.0/data
    /shr/usb/sdU6.0/raw

I tried another USB drive.  Same result.

BTW, how do I abort a command such as the cat /dev/kpeint?  I tried ^c, ^d.
^\.  Nothing worked.  I ended up having to delete the entire window.




>
>   try a different dos formatted usb drive.
>
> --
> cinap
>
>

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Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[Alexander Kapshuk]

On 12/23/2013 04:59 PM, Blake McBride wrote:
> BTW, how do I abort a command such as the cat /dev/kpeint?  I tried
> ^c, ^d. ^\.  Nothing worked.  I ended up having to delete the entire
> window.
Try the Delete key.

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[Friedrich Psiorz]

The DEL key should do.

Am 23.12.2013 15:59, schrieb Blake McBride:
> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:52 PM, <cinap_lenrek@felloff.net
> <mailto:cinap_lenrek@felloff.net>> wrote:
>
>     the fdisk command i gave you could read the partition table fine.
>     (it didnt register them, just print)
>
>     the code thats handling the automounting (/shr) should'v discovered
>     the partitions by running the same command but apparently that didnt
>     work. (otherwise, the dos partition should'v shown up in /dev/sdU*)
>
>     i can not reproduce this on my systems and i need further information
>     to debug this issue.
>
>     i would like you to:
>
>       pulling and replugging the usb device and watch the screen to see
>       if there are messages showing up. (you can also run cat
>     /dev/kprint in a rio
>       window to capture the console output (make sure to make the window
>       scrolling))
>
>
> I am using vanilla 9front.  I believe it is rio.  I tried putting it in
> and out and there is no message on the screen.
> I tried cat /dev/kprint and that too did not display anything.
>
> As I mentioned, when plugged in, for some reason, I am getting:
>
>     /shr/usb/sdU6.0/ctl
>     /shr/usb/sdU6.0/data
>     /shr/usb/sdU6.0/raw
>
> I tried another USB drive.  Same result.
>
> BTW, how do I abort a command such as the cat /dev/kpeint?  I tried ^c,
> ^d. ^\.  Nothing worked.  I ended up having to delete the entire window.
>
>
>
>
>
>       try a different dos formatted usb drive.
>
>     --
>     cinap
>
>

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[Blake McBride]

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Amazing how something so simple could stump someone.  Thanks!


On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Alexander Kapshuk <
alexander.kapshuk@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On 12/23/2013 04:59 PM, Blake McBride wrote:
> > BTW, how do I abort a command such as the cat /dev/kpeint?  I tried
> > ^c, ^d. ^\.  Nothing worked.  I ended up having to delete the entire
> > window.
> Try the Delete key.
>
>
>

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Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[Steve Simon]

> Try the Delete key.

Check keyboard(6) and rio(1).

also note the <ins> key does auto filename completeion.

Beware: these are all features of rio, if you have no rio, e.g.
just a text console, none of this works, not even del
(non-labs distributions not withstanding).

-Steve

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[Alexander Kapshuk]

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On 12/23/2013 05:11 PM, Blake McBride wrote:
> Amazing how something so simple could stump someone.  Thanks!
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Alexander Kapshuk
> <alexander.kapshuk@gmail.com <mailto:alexander.kapshuk@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>     On 12/23/2013 04:59 PM, Blake McBride wrote:
>     > BTW, how do I abort a command such as the cat /dev/kpeint?  I tried
>     > ^c, ^d. ^\.  Nothing worked.  I ended up having to delete the entire
>     > window.
>     Try the Delete key.
>
>
>
No worries.


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Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[erik quanstrom]

On Mon Dec 23 10:18:49 EST 2013, steve@quintile.net wrote:
> > Try the Delete key.
>
> Check keyboard(6) and rio(1).
>
> also note the <ins> key does auto filename completeion.
>
> Beware: these are all features of rio, if you have no rio, e.g.
> just a text console, none of this works, not even del
> (non-labs distributions not withstanding).

i have a norio around somewhere that could run on the console,
and provide all these features, but it seems so silly i've been keeping
it to myself.

- erik

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[Tristan]

> On Mon Dec 23 10:18:49 EST 2013, steve@quintile.net wrote:
> > > Try the Delete key.
> > 
> > Check keyboard(6) and rio(1).
> > 
> > also note the <ins> key does auto filename completeion.
> > 
> > Beware: these are all features of rio, if you have no rio, e.g.
> > just a text console, none of this works, not even del
> > (non-labs distributions not withstanding).

> i have a norio around somewhere that could run on the console, and
> provide all these features, but it seems so silly i've been keeping it
> to myself.

i've had several experiences where that would be very handy, and am
likely to have more soon. maybe it can make it into 9atom or contrib?

thanks!
tristan

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Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[Steve Simon]

> i have a norio around somewhere

who he?

-Steve

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[erik quanstrom]

> i've had several experiences where that would be very handy, and am
> likely to have more soon. maybe it can make it into 9atom or contrib?

9fs atom; cat /n/atom/plan9/sys/src/cmd/aux/norio.c

no man page yet.

- erik

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

[erik quanstrom]

On Mon Feb 10 01:47:03 EST 2014, steve@quintile.net wrote:
> > i have a norio around somewhere
>
> who he?

i do.  it's in /sys/src/cmd/aux/norio in 9atom.

- erik