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From: Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] syscall 53
Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 17:13:34 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140522001334.DC674B82A@mail.bitblocks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 21 May 2014 09:56:26 PDT." <CAJSxfmLuk=m0iGBFuEJA7vG9JqgpdSspzwQndMZCCba5F3MohQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 21 May 2014 09:56:26 PDT Skip Tavakkolian <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> i like git.  as it is a kind of archival file system, one should be able to
> build a plan9 file system interface for it.

Have you looked at porting git to plan9? 178K lines of *.[ch].
20K lines of shell scripts (+ 100K+ lines of test scripts).
Also python and perl scripts.

All SCM are in some sense archival systems but the actual
storage scheme used is just one tiny part of the system.
There are a few more requirements which a simple filesystem
model won't satisfy by itself.  Consider:

This is the most fundamental operation of a SCM is to manage
source code updates sanely.  Suppose you had to change files
f1..fn to implement a feature/bugfix.  Now you want to check
them in and share these changes with others. But the checkin
should succeed *only if* the latest versions of f1..fn in the
underlying filesystems are the *same* as the ones you started
from. If this is not true, the entire checkin must be aborted.
It is upto the developer to merge his changes with the latest
versions and try again. [Essentially you are doing a
compare-and-swap operation on a set of files]

You can single thread this through a human but the problem
remains the same and a human (without additional tools) will
not be able to check all this reliably.  For a collaborative,
distributed project where different people may work on
different parts, a human in the middle is not a scalable
solution.  The only reason for a manual SCM is to *slow down*
the rate of change.

Then there other operations like maintaining separate
branches, merging/cherry picking changes from another branch,
reverting from local changes, rolling back a bad checkin,
pushing changes to a shared repo, pulling from it, access
control, etc. etc.

You can certainly build something on top of venti to build a
nice SCM but that would be a researchy project.

Given all this I think hg makes a good compromise if you want
to move forward from the status-quo.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-05-22  0:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-17 19:11 goo
2014-05-17 21:17 ` Jeff Sickel
2014-05-17 22:21   ` Jeff Sickel
2014-05-17 22:45   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2014-05-18  4:34     ` lucio
2014-05-18  8:29       ` David du Colombier
2014-05-18 15:28         ` Jeff Sickel
2014-05-18 15:32         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2014-05-18 15:34           ` Skip Tavakkolian
2014-05-18 15:38           ` Jeff Sickel
2014-05-18 16:03             ` Skip Tavakkolian
2014-05-18 22:55               ` Skip Tavakkolian
2014-05-19  1:54                 ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-19  2:27                   ` Jeff Sickel
2014-05-19  4:18                     ` lucio
2014-05-19 12:50                       ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-19 14:01                         ` lucio
2014-05-19 16:24                           ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-19 16:54                             ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-19 17:16                               ` lucio
2014-05-19 17:22                                 ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-19 17:13                             ` lucio
2014-05-19 17:25                               ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-19 19:50                                 ` Bakul Shah
2014-05-19 19:59                                   ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-19 20:54                                     ` ron minnich
2014-05-19 21:30                                       ` Charles Forsyth
2014-05-19 21:41                                         ` ron minnich
2014-05-19 23:02                                           ` Kurt H Maier
2014-05-19 23:06                                             ` andrey mirtchovski
2014-05-19 23:12                                               ` Kurt H Maier
2014-05-19 23:17                                                 ` andrey mirtchovski
2014-05-20  0:09                                                   ` Jeff Sickel
2014-05-19 21:34                                       ` Anthony Sorace
2014-05-20 14:04                                         ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-20 16:41                                           ` ron minnich
2014-05-20 17:14                                             ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-20 18:32                                             ` Kurt H Maier
2014-05-20 19:49                                               ` ron minnich
2014-05-20 19:54                                                 ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-20 20:06                                                 ` Kurt H Maier
2014-05-21 10:23                                                 ` hiro
2014-05-20 20:33                                             ` Jeff Sickel
2014-05-21  1:37                                               ` Skip Tavakkolian
2014-05-21 15:40                                                 ` lucio
2014-05-21 16:25                                                   ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-21 16:56                                                     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2014-05-21 20:05                                                       ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2014-05-22  0:13                                                       ` Bakul Shah [this message]
2014-05-22  3:25                                                         ` [9fans] CMS/MMS (VCS/SCM/DSCM) [was: syscall 53] Jeff Sickel
2014-05-22  5:03                                                           ` lucio
2014-05-22  5:07                                                           ` lucio
2014-05-22 13:29                                                             ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-22 13:50                                                               ` lucio
2014-05-22  5:11                                                           ` Bakul Shah
2014-05-22  5:26                                                             ` lucio
2014-05-22 12:57                                                               ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-22 13:43                                                                 ` lucio
2014-05-22 13:57                                                                   ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-22  5:28                                                             ` lucio
2014-05-22  5:36                                                             ` lucio
2014-05-22  6:00                                                               ` Bakul Shah
2014-05-22  6:18                                                                 ` lucio
2014-05-22 12:45                                                                 ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-22 20:05                                                                   ` Bakul Shah
2014-05-22 20:11                                                                     ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-23 20:07                                                                     ` Steve Simon
2014-05-22  9:52                                                               ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2014-05-22 10:29                                                                 ` lucio
2014-05-22 10:46                                                                   ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2014-05-22 13:03                                                             ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-22  5:23                                                           ` Skip Tavakkolian
2014-05-22  5:47                                                             ` lucio
2014-05-22 12:49                                                               ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-22  7:49                                                           ` Alex Jordan
2014-05-22 12:49                                                             ` Riddler
2014-05-22  3:43                                                       ` [9fans] syscall 53 Kurt H Maier
2014-05-22  5:12                                                         ` lucio
2014-05-22 16:15                                                           ` Kurt H Maier
2014-05-22  5:36                                                         ` Bakul Shah
2014-05-22 10:50                                                           ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2014-05-21 17:01                                                     ` lucio
2014-05-21 17:41                                                       ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-21 19:08                                                         ` lucio
2014-05-21 20:36                                                           ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-22  4:46                                                             ` lucio
2014-05-22 13:18                                                               ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-22 13:39                                                                 ` lucio
2014-05-22 14:22                                                                   ` Riddler
2014-05-22  4:54                                                             ` lucio
2014-05-22 13:07                                                               ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-21  1:21                                             ` Skip Tavakkolian
2014-05-21 15:36                                               ` lucio
2014-05-21 15:57                                                 ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-21 17:03                                                   ` lucio
2014-05-21 16:50                                                 ` Kurt H Maier
2014-05-21 18:02                                                   ` hiro
2014-05-20 17:05                                         ` Bakul Shah
2014-05-20 17:28                                           ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-19 17:26                               ` Charles Forsyth
2014-05-19 17:29                                 ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-19 19:15                                   ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2014-05-19 19:44                                     ` Charles Forsyth
2014-05-19 20:51                                     ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-20  3:52                                     ` cinap_lenrek
2014-05-19  4:15                   ` lucio
2014-05-18  0:34 ` erik quanstrom
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-05-21 18:26 sl
2014-05-21 18:31 ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-18  7:35 goo
2014-05-17 16:54 goo
2014-05-17 13:53 goo
2014-05-17 14:56 ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-17 10:23 goo
2014-05-17 12:11 ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-17 12:23   ` David du Colombier
2014-05-17 12:12 ` erik quanstrom

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