From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 18:00:21 +0000 Message-ID: <20140719180021.Horde.3AeyD8uom6rwQgD19QLi2A1@ssl.eumx.net> From: Kurt H Maier To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> References: <1fc1c403eaecd8cae89f761a68b0d605@posteo.de> <033df8386d47dcbca83387af82fbc4a7@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H5 (6.1.6) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; DelSp=Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 Sources Repository Topicbox-Message-UUID: 06e61968-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Quoting dante : > Usable, not bureaucratic. Lots of people already use plan 9, therefore it is already useable. > And you don't need to invest work. This seems like a load of garbage, since you're already demanding that other people do work to support your preferences. > This all changed with Raspberry Pi. > There is a good, stable (in the medium/long term) platform > that costs next to nothing for people to play with Plan9. The Raspberry Pi is not universally considered a good platform, but maybe that's a discussion for a different thread. > Yet, I have the impression that some potential users may be > put off by the lack of polish in some other places (installer, ports > etc.). > These potential users are also potential contributors. Why would anyone want patches from someone unwilling to learn how this system works? > More mass could mean: > - having a useable (like useable in 2014) Web browser We already have operating systems that focus on this nonsense. Why must plan 9 also? > - having a useable (or having one at all) video/media player see above > - having an SSH2 server (there is one in 9atom, but I didn't > see it in the stock Plan9). Are you sure it doesn't have the > Heartbleed? Are *you*? Do you even know what heartbleed is? Why would we throw plan 9's existing communications standards in the trash? SSH is wildly inferior and makes tons of assumptions about the hosts that only really apply to unix or unix-wannabes. > - having a useable driver for touch pads or > 2-button-plus-wheel mice. I couldn't find a 3-button mouse these > days, and clicking on the wheel is awful. Almost every mouse for sale to day has three buttons. Click your scroll wheel. > - up-to-date versions of modern programming languages. I miss > Ruby a lot. If you want Ruby, you know where to find it. > Wouldn't that be nice? No. It sounds like you're trying to rewire the entire plan 9 community with the goal of turning plan 9 into ubuntu with a plan 9 theme. Why the hell would anyone who appreciates what plan 9 has to offer be interested in these enormous steps backwards? Why don't you just use the operating systems that already support all this crap? khm