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From: Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:10:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141013171051.28A35B827@mail.bitblocks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 13 Oct 2014 12:15:31 EDT." <3f0b54378d4d9670e206e0b6428ce886@ladd.quanstro.net>

On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 12:15:31 EDT erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
> On Sun Oct 12 14:37:47 EDT 2014, steve@quintile.net wrote:
> > I am fairly sure the problem is to do with RAM size rather than the ras=
> pberry pi per-se.
> > 4000 messages takes up a lot of space - and upas stores messages in RAM=
> .
>
> it's a little worse than this, actually.
>
> since upas stores messages in mbox format, the whole file needs to be rea=
> d or written on
> update.  certainly one could optimize the read bit, but that would be dif=
> ficult  this means
> that the the whole mbox gets written to the dump every day, and you need =
> about 2x the
> mailbox size ram for each upas/fs that is run.  this does not work out we=
> ll for large mm
> messages, or small ram boxes like the pi.
>
> the solutions to this are straightforward
> (1) store one message per file,

This is what MH (an old mail client) does by default.

> (2) cache important data in an index to avoid opening all files,

This is what dovecot (an imap/pop3 server) does.

One other thing such mailservers do is to usually only
*append* to an mbox file. Deleted messages are marked as such
but their space is not reclaimed until you force a rebuild of
the mbox file and its index.

Pure imap clients typically only read last N messages from a
given mailbox.  More may be loaded as you scroll back.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-10-13 17:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-10-11 12:27 Mats Olsson
2014-10-11 13:31 ` Quintile
2014-10-12  7:28   ` Mats Olsson
2014-10-12  7:37     ` Quintile
2014-10-12 13:04       ` Mats Olsson
2014-10-12 14:18         ` Quintile
2014-10-12 14:23         ` Richard Miller
2014-10-12 18:18     ` Eduardo Alvarez
2014-10-12 18:36       ` Steve Simon
2014-10-12 18:58         ` Kurt H Maier
2014-10-13  0:53           ` kokamoto
2014-10-13 11:40             ` Mats Olsson
2014-10-13 14:28               ` p.d.finn
2014-10-13 16:07             ` erik quanstrom
2014-10-13 16:15         ` erik quanstrom
2014-10-13 16:46           ` Eduardo Alvarez
2014-10-13 23:55             ` Anthony Sorace
2014-10-14  2:41               ` Winston Kodogo
2014-10-14  2:51                 ` Kurt H Maier
2014-10-14  3:00                   ` Winston Kodogo
2014-10-14  3:08                     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2014-10-14  3:25                       ` Winston Kodogo
2014-10-14 19:09                       ` Wes Kussmaul
2014-10-14 20:03                         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2014-10-14 20:29                           ` Wes Kussmaul
2014-10-14 22:32                             ` Winston Kodogo
2014-10-14  9:09                 ` Steve Simon
2014-10-14 11:14                   ` Rudolf Sykora
2014-10-14 12:04                     ` Steve Simon
2014-10-14 12:23                     ` Anthony Sorace
2014-10-14 12:46                       ` Richard Miller
2014-10-14 15:20                       ` erik quanstrom
2014-10-14 15:22                     ` erik quanstrom
2014-10-14 16:08                       ` Rudolf Sykora
2014-10-14 17:29                         ` erik quanstrom
2014-10-14 18:40                         ` Anthony Sorace
2014-10-15  6:37                           ` Rudolf Sykora
2014-10-14 15:57                 ` erik quanstrom
2014-10-13 17:10           ` Bakul Shah [this message]
2014-10-13 19:01             ` Mats Olsson
2014-10-13 19:37             ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2014-10-15 12:21             ` trebol
2014-10-15 12:46               ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2014-10-15 13:00                 ` trebol
2014-10-19 19:43                   ` Mats Olsson
2014-10-19 22:26                     ` P. D. Finn
2014-10-20  7:04                       ` Mats Olsson
2014-10-20  7:28                         ` P. D. Finn
2014-10-20 11:11                           ` Mats Olsson
2014-10-20 11:34                             ` Steve Simon
2014-10-20 17:25                               ` Mats Olsson
2014-10-20 17:28                                 ` Mats Olsson
2014-10-20 17:32                                   ` Mats Olsson
2014-10-20 17:49                                     ` Quintile
2014-10-20 18:44                                       ` Mats Olsson
2014-10-21 12:21                                         ` Mats Olsson
2014-10-21 12:57                                           ` k0ga
2014-10-27 15:58                               ` erik quanstrom
2014-10-27 16:34                                 ` lucio
2014-10-27 19:10                                   ` erik quanstrom
2014-10-29 21:43                                     ` Mats Olsson
2014-10-29 21:48                                       ` Mats Olsson
2014-10-29 21:58                                       ` Steve Simon
2014-10-30 11:13                                         ` Mats Olsson
2014-10-30 14:08                                           ` Kurt H Maier
2014-10-30 14:18                                             ` Mats Olsson
2014-10-30 14:34                                               ` Kurt H Maier
2014-10-30 16:00                                           ` erik quanstrom
2014-10-30 16:11                                             ` Mats Olsson
2014-10-30 16:14                                               ` Mats Olsson
2014-10-31 10:26                                                 ` Mats Olsson
2014-10-31 10:51                                                   ` trebol
2014-10-31 10:59                                                   ` trebol
2014-10-31 12:04                                                     ` Mats Olsson
2014-10-31 13:09                                                   ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2014-10-31 13:30                                                     ` erik quanstrom
2014-10-31 14:29                                                       ` Mats Olsson
2014-10-31 18:09                                                       ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2014-11-04  4:24                                                         ` erik quanstrom
2014-11-04 14:27                                                           ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2014-11-05 18:21                                                             ` Mats Olsson
2014-11-05 18:26                                                               ` Mats Olsson
2014-11-05 18:38                                                                 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2014-11-05 18:55                                                                   ` Mats Olsson
2014-11-05 18:31                                                               ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2014-11-05 17:30                                                           ` Mats Olsson
2014-11-05 17:40                                                             ` Anthony Sorace
2014-11-05 18:19                                                               ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2014-11-06 13:41                                                                 ` erik quanstrom
2014-11-06 19:12                                                                   ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2014-11-07  9:27                                                                     ` Mats Olsson
2014-10-31 19:35                                           ` Quintile
2014-10-31 20:19                                             ` Mats Olsson
2014-10-31 21:14                                               ` Richard Miller
2014-10-31 21:53                                                 ` Mats Olsson
2014-11-03  8:54                                                   ` Mats Olsson
2014-11-03 23:49                                                     ` trebol
2014-11-03  8:57                                                   ` Mats Olsson
2014-11-04  4:06                                                     ` erik quanstrom
2014-11-01  0:14                                                 ` Anthony Martin
2014-11-01  8:16                                                   ` Mats Olsson
2014-11-01  8:34                                                   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2014-11-01 10:32                                                   ` Charles Forsyth
2014-11-01 12:24                                     ` Charles Forsyth
2014-11-04  4:12                                       ` erik quanstrom
2014-10-21 12:58 Steve Simon
2014-10-22  9:06 ` Mats Olsson
2014-10-22 10:32   ` Charles Forsyth
2014-10-22 10:35     ` Charles Forsyth
2014-10-22 12:24       ` Mats Olsson
2014-10-22 13:29         ` Charles Forsyth
2014-10-22 13:59           ` Mats Olsson
2014-10-22 12:38   ` Steve Simon
2014-10-22 14:34   ` Kurt H Maier
2014-10-22 14:46     ` Charles Forsyth
2014-10-22 15:12       ` Kurt H Maier
2014-10-22 15:19         ` Mats Olsson
2014-10-22 18:14           ` Skip Tavakkolian
2014-10-22 20:04             ` Quintile
2014-10-23 20:45               ` Winston Kodogo
2014-10-23 20:57                 ` Charles Forsyth
2014-10-23 21:03                 ` Winston Kodogo
2014-10-24  6:50                   ` Mats Olsson

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