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* [9fans] Plan9 and VMs
@ 2016-09-01 21:42 Adriano Verardo
  2016-09-01 22:16 ` Julius Schmidt
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Adriano Verardo @ 2016-09-01 21:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

In the last two years I've very little used Plan9.
All appls I made for clients work, solved all problem thanks to 9fans
help, clients don't ask for improvements, ...

Now I must install Plan9 in a VM. I'm testing VMware, but it is not a
constraint.
The Bell distro work fine, all others I tried fail during install.
And, worse than this, I see just now that Bell non longer support Plan9
since Jan 2015.

So, what's the best Win7-32/64 VM product for Plan9 ? What Plan9 ?

Thanks in advance



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* Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs
  2016-09-01 21:42 [9fans] Plan9 and VMs Adriano Verardo
@ 2016-09-01 22:16 ` Julius Schmidt
  2016-09-01 22:49   ` Nickolas Peter
                     ` (2 more replies)
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From: Julius Schmidt @ 2016-09-01 22:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

9front works fine in vmware. I've never had a problem (including a very
recent install at work).
How exactly does it fail in your case?

aiju

On Thu, 1 Sep 2016, Adriano Verardo wrote:

> In the last two years I've very little used Plan9.
> All appls I made for clients work, solved all problem thanks to 9fans help,
> clients don't ask for improvements, ...
>
> Now I must install Plan9 in a VM. I'm testing VMware, but it is not a
> constraint.
> The Bell distro work fine, all others I tried fail during install.
> And, worse than this, I see just now that Bell non longer support Plan9 since
> Jan 2015.
>
> So, what's the best Win7-32/64 VM product for Plan9 ? What Plan9 ?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
>



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* Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs
  2016-09-01 22:16 ` Julius Schmidt
@ 2016-09-01 22:49   ` Nickolas Peter
  2016-09-01 22:49     ` Nickolas Peter
  2016-09-02  2:49   ` Adriano Verardo
  2016-09-02  2:58   ` Adriano Verardo
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Nickolas Peter @ 2016-09-01 22:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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I've had a lot of success with qemu/libvirt on Linux. I have a separate
network on libvirt on its own subnet with a fs/auth and cpu server that's
accessible from the outside (via drawterm). I only had to play with it a
little bit to get it working well. It might be quicker and easier with
VMWare, though.

On Thursday, September 1, 2016, Julius Schmidt <aiju@phicode.de> wrote:

> 9front works fine in vmware. I've never had a problem (including a very
> recent install at work).
> How exactly does it fail in your case?
>
> aiju
>
> On Thu, 1 Sep 2016, Adriano Verardo wrote:
>
> In the last two years I've very little used Plan9.
>> All appls I made for clients work, solved all problem thanks to 9fans
>> help, clients don't ask for improvements, ...
>>
>> Now I must install Plan9 in a VM. I'm testing VMware, but it is not a
>> constraint.
>> The Bell distro work fine, all others I tried fail during install.
>> And, worse than this, I see just now that Bell non longer support Plan9
>> since Jan 2015.
>>
>> So, what's the best Win7-32/64 VM product for Plan9 ? What Plan9 ?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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* Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs
  2016-09-01 22:49   ` Nickolas Peter
@ 2016-09-01 22:49     ` Nickolas Peter
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Nickolas Peter @ 2016-09-01 22:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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Sorry, just now seeing the Windows part at the end of your email. I've had
no issues with VMware.

On Thursday, September 1, 2016, Nickolas Peter <nickpeteromalley@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I've had a lot of success with qemu/libvirt on Linux. I have a separate
> network on libvirt on its own subnet with a fs/auth and cpu server that's
> accessible from the outside (via drawterm). I only had to play with it a
> little bit to get it working well. It might be quicker and easier with
> VMWare, though.
>
> On Thursday, September 1, 2016, Julius Schmidt <aiju@phicode.de
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','aiju@phicode.de');>> wrote:
>
>> 9front works fine in vmware. I've never had a problem (including a very
>> recent install at work).
>> How exactly does it fail in your case?
>>
>> aiju
>>
>> On Thu, 1 Sep 2016, Adriano Verardo wrote:
>>
>> In the last two years I've very little used Plan9.
>>> All appls I made for clients work, solved all problem thanks to 9fans
>>> help, clients don't ask for improvements, ...
>>>
>>> Now I must install Plan9 in a VM. I'm testing VMware, but it is not a
>>> constraint.
>>> The Bell distro work fine, all others I tried fail during install.
>>> And, worse than this, I see just now that Bell non longer support Plan9
>>> since Jan 2015.
>>>
>>> So, what's the best Win7-32/64 VM product for Plan9 ? What Plan9 ?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

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* Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs
  2016-09-01 22:16 ` Julius Schmidt
  2016-09-01 22:49   ` Nickolas Peter
@ 2016-09-02  2:49   ` Adriano Verardo
  2021-11-21 21:35     ` Conor Williams
  2016-09-02  2:58   ` Adriano Verardo
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Adriano Verardo @ 2016-09-02  2:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

Julius Schmidt wrote:
> 9front works fine in vmware. I've never had a problem (including a
> very recent install at work).
> How exactly does it fail in your case?
Install seems to finish regularly, but reboot is from the .iso again.
Tried to unlink the .iso, as usual on physical boxes etc etc
I'm sure it's a my mistake but I dont see where/what.
Using vmware 9.0.4 (free to change) under Win7-32 bit (constrain)
adriano
>
> aiju
>
> On Thu, 1 Sep 2016, Adriano Verardo wrote:
>
>> In the last two years I've very little used Plan9.
>> All appls I made for clients work, solved all problem thanks to 9fans
>> help, clients don't ask for improvements, ...
>>
>> Now I must install Plan9 in a VM. I'm testing VMware, but it is not a
>> constraint.
>> The Bell distro work fine, all others I tried fail during install.
>> And, worse than this, I see just now that Bell non longer support
>> Plan9 since Jan 2015.
>>
>> So, what's the best Win7-32/64 VM product for Plan9 ? What Plan9 ?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>>
>>
>
>




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* Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs
  2016-09-01 22:16 ` Julius Schmidt
  2016-09-01 22:49   ` Nickolas Peter
  2016-09-02  2:49   ` Adriano Verardo
@ 2016-09-02  2:58   ` Adriano Verardo
       [not found]     ` <CAJDwFdg87Tki4Ldx+NY+mGnHV6iBUKuGgOY-CU5+4QLAiTYzWg@mail.gmail.com>
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Adriano Verardo @ 2016-09-02  2:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

Julius Schmidt wrote:
> 9front works fine in vmware. I've never had a problem (including a
> very recent install at work).
> How exactly does it fail in your case?
Install seem to complete regularly subsequent boots are from the .iso
Tried to unlink the .iso, revove the virtal CD etc etc
Where is my mistake. The installer is the +/- the same I used many many
times.
Using VMware 9.0.4 - Win7-32 (Win7-32 is mandatory).
adriano
>
> aiju
>
> On Thu, 1 Sep 2016, Adriano Verardo wrote:
>
>> In the last two years I've very little used Plan9.
>> All appls I made for clients work, solved all problem thanks to 9fans
>> help, clients don't ask for improvements, ...
>>
>> Now I must install Plan9 in a VM. I'm testing VMware, but it is not a
>> constraint.
>> The Bell distro work fine, all others I tried fail during install.
>> And, worse than this, I see just now that Bell non longer support
>> Plan9 since Jan 2015.
>>
>> So, what's the best Win7-32/64 VM product for Plan9 ? What Plan9 ?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>>
>>
>
>




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* Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs
       [not found]       ` <CAJDwFdj2F=pkd9qu4R_HRZ__hd1SwHZ21dkCuQQUgbN=HiNUiw@mail.gmail.com>
@ 2016-09-02  3:06         ` Prof Brucee
  2016-09-02  3:15           ` Adriano Verardo
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Prof Brucee @ 2016-09-02  3:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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Have you run inst/start after booting from iso?

On 02/09/2016 12:59 PM, "Adriano Verardo" <adr.verardo@gmail.com> wrote:

Julius Schmidt wrote:

> 9front works fine in vmware. I've never had a problem (including a very
> recent install at work).
> How exactly does it fail in your case?
>
Install seem to complete regularly subsequent boots are from the .iso
Tried to unlink the .iso, revove the virtal CD etc etc
Where is my mistake. The installer is the +/- the same I used many many
times.
Using VMware 9.0.4 - Win7-32 (Win7-32 is mandatory).
adriano


> aiju
>
> On Thu, 1 Sep 2016, Adriano Verardo wrote:
>
> In the last two years I've very little used Plan9.
>> All appls I made for clients work, solved all problem thanks to 9fans
>> help, clients don't ask for improvements, ...
>>
>> Now I must install Plan9 in a VM. I'm testing VMware, but it is not a
>> constraint.
>> The Bell distro work fine, all others I tried fail during install.
>> And, worse than this, I see just now that Bell non longer support Plan9
>> since Jan 2015.
>>
>> So, what's the best Win7-32/64 VM product for Plan9 ? What Plan9 ?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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* Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs
  2016-09-02  3:06         ` Prof Brucee
@ 2016-09-02  3:15           ` Adriano Verardo
  2016-09-02 10:27             ` cinap_lenrek
  2016-09-02 10:30             ` cinap_lenrek
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Adriano Verardo @ 2016-09-02  3:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

Prof Brucee wrote:
>
> Have you run inst/start after booting from iso?
>
Yes. Follwed the ~usual install procedure. All ok till bootsetup included.
Confirmed the "finish" step, unsolicited reboot, restart from .iso
Hiding the CD, boot fails saying that there is no OS on the HD.
adriano

>
> On 02/09/2016 12:59 PM, "Adriano Verardo" <adr.verardo@gmail.com
> <mailto:adr.verardo@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Julius Schmidt wrote:
>
>         9front works fine in vmware. I've never had a problem
>         (including a very recent install at work).
>         How exactly does it fail in your case?
>
>     Install seem to complete regularly subsequent boots are from the .iso
>     Tried to unlink the .iso, revove the virtal CD etc etc
>     Where is my mistake. The installer is the +/- the same I used many
>     many times.
>     Using VMware 9.0.4 - Win7-32 (Win7-32 is mandatory).
>     adriano
>
>
>         aiju
>
>         On Thu, 1 Sep 2016, Adriano Verardo wrote:
>
>             In the last two years I've very little used Plan9.
>             All appls I made for clients work, solved all problem
>             thanks to 9fans help, clients don't ask for improvements, ...
>
>             Now I must install Plan9 in a VM. I'm testing VMware, but
>             it is not a constraint.
>             The Bell distro work fine, all others I tried fail during
>             install.
>             And, worse than this, I see just now that Bell non longer
>             support Plan9 since Jan 2015.
>
>             So, what's the best Win7-32/64 VM product for Plan9 ? What
>             Plan9 ?
>
>             Thanks in advance
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




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* Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs
  2016-09-02  3:15           ` Adriano Verardo
@ 2016-09-02 10:27             ` cinap_lenrek
  2016-09-02 10:30             ` cinap_lenrek
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: cinap_lenrek @ 2016-09-02 10:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> Yes. Follwed the ~usual install procedure. All ok till bootsetup included.
> Confirmed the "finish" step, unsolicited reboot, restart from .iso
> Hiding the CD, boot fails saying that there is no OS on the HD.

sounds like the plan9 partition isnt marked as active (you get prompted
for that during the installation), or you installed with a GPT partition table,
in which case you might need to make a boot menu entry in the efi firmware
(the installer doesnt attempt to modify efi non volatile memory at all).

you can boot from the iso and check the status of the partition table with
disk/fdisk /dev/sdC0/data (or wherever you installed the system on). the command
to mark a partition as active is A partname. like "A p1" in the case of
fdisk.

> adriano

--
cinap



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* Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs
  2016-09-02  3:15           ` Adriano Verardo
  2016-09-02 10:27             ` cinap_lenrek
@ 2016-09-02 10:30             ` cinap_lenrek
  2016-09-02 16:37               ` Adriano Verardo
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: cinap_lenrek @ 2016-09-02 10:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> Yes. Follwed the ~usual install procedure. All ok till bootsetup included.
> Confirmed the "finish" step, unsolicited reboot, restart from .iso
> Hiding the CD, boot fails saying that there is no OS on the HD.

... another possibility is that no master boot record got installed (you
get prompted for that during installation).

to manually update the mbr, see prep(8):

disk/mbr -m /386/mbr /dev/sdC0/data

--
cinap



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* Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs
  2016-09-02 10:30             ` cinap_lenrek
@ 2016-09-02 16:37               ` Adriano Verardo
  2016-09-02 17:41                 ` cinap_lenrek
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Adriano Verardo @ 2016-09-02 16:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

cinap_lenrek@felloff.net wrote:
>> Yes. Follwed the ~usual install procedure. All ok till bootsetup included.
>> Confirmed the "finish" step, unsolicited reboot, restart from .iso
>> Hiding the CD, boot fails saying that there is no OS on the HD.
> ... another possibility is that no master boot record got installed (you
> get prompted for that during installation).
>
> to manually update the mbr, see prep(8):
>
> disk/mbr -m /386/mbr /dev/sdC0/data
Hi, cinap

Yes, on physical boxes I've faced this kind of problems several times in
the past years.
All noted in my personal "troubleshooting memo"

But building the VM many times from scratch, tracking questions and
answers on paper,
configuring all possible type of disk etc etc etc ... I couldnt get a
bootable VM.

I'm sure the problem is the mix "obsolete(Win+VMware) + up-to-date Plan9
distro".
Bell and 9legacy both install on the fly.

Having some constraints, I'm looking for a whatever (set of) VM
to have all/many distros running on my desk, being convinced that's not
reasonable
to adapt current distros to a prehistoric environment.

adriano

>
> --
> cinap
>
>




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* Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs
  2016-09-02 16:37               ` Adriano Verardo
@ 2016-09-02 17:41                 ` cinap_lenrek
  2016-09-02 20:54                   ` Adriano Verardo
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: cinap_lenrek @ 2016-09-02 17:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> I'm sure the problem is the mix "obsolete(Win+VMware) + up-to-date Plan9  distro".

doubt it. i'm actually testing every release on a windows 7 with vmware
doing a install from scratch, then building amd64 on the newly installed
system and reboot into 64 bit kernel as a regression test.

however, in your case i'd suggest a more systematic approach and actually
check what the status of the mbr / partition table is. you can do that
from the system booted off the iso. just run disk/fdisk /dev/sdC0/data
and see if the plan9 partition has a "*" there.

the mbr should look like this:

cpu% dd -if /dev/sdC0/data -count 1 | xd -x1
1+0 records in
1+0 records out
0000000  fa 31 c0 8e d0 bc ec 7b 89 e5 8e d8 be 00 7c 8e <- start of mbr code (should be identical to /386/mbr)
0000010  c0 bf 00 06 b9 00 01 fc f3 a5 ea 1f 06 00 00 30
0000020  c0 38 c2 75 02 b2 80 88 56 12 be 90 07 bf 20 07
0000030  ff d7 be be 07 b9 04 00 b4 80 30 c0 8a 5c 00 38
0000040  dc 74 13 38 d8 75 1f 81 c6 10 00 49 75 ee be 33
0000050  07 bf fd 06 ff d7 89 f7 81 c6 10 00 49 74 0f 8a
0000060  5c 00 38 dc 75 f2 be 4a 07 bf fd 06 ff d7 b4 41
0000070  bb aa 55 8a 56 12 cd 13 72 50 81 fb 55 aa 75 4a
0000080  81 e1 01 00 74 44 c6 46 00 10 c6 46 01 00 c6 46
0000090  02 01 c6 46 03 00 c7 46 04 00 7c c7 46 06 00 00
00000a0  8b 85 08 00 89 86 08 00 8b 85 0a 00 89 86 0a 00
00000b0  c7 46 0c 00 00 c7 46 0e 00 00 89 ee b4 42 cd 13
00000c0  73 24 be 56 07 bf fd 06 ff d7 8a 75 01 8b 8d 02
00000d0  00 b8 01 02 8a 56 12 bb 00 7c cd 13 73 08 be 56
00000e0  07 bf fd 06 ff d7 bb 00 7c 8b 87 fe 01 81 f8 55
00000f0  aa 75 07 89 fe ea 00 7c 00 00 be 60 07 bf 20 07
0000100  ff d7 be 6c 07 bf 20 07 ff d7 31 c0 cd 16 31 db
0000110  8e c3 bb 72 04 b8 34 12 26 89 07 ea 00 00 ff ff
0000120  60 31 db ac 08 c0 74 09 b4 0e cd 10 ac 08 c0 75
0000130  f7 61 c3 4e 6f 20 61 63 74 69 76 65 20 65 6e 74
0000140  72 79 20 69 6e 20 4d 42 52 00 49 6e 76 61 6c 69
0000150  64 20 4d 42 52 00 49 2f 4f 20 65 72 72 6f 72 00
0000160  49 6e 76 61 6c 69 64 20 50 42 53 00 0d 0a 50 72
0000170  65 73 73 20 61 6c 6d 6f 73 74 20 61 6e 79 20 6b
0000180  65 79 20 74 6f 20 72 65 62 6f 6f 74 2e 2e 2e 00
0000190  4d 42 52 2e 2e 2e 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 <- last byte of mbr code at 0x196 (407 bytes)
00001a0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00001b0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 01 <- partition table starts at 0x1BE, will be different for you
00001c0  01 00 39 fe ff ff 3f 00 00 00 5f e0 7f 01 00 00
00001d0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00001e0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00001f0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 55 aa <- 55AA boot signature, bios looks for this

once we know the status of that, we can worry about *why* it is this way
in your case.

maybe your download got corrupted? (we did have this case in the past)
just to make sure, the latest 9front-5368.b4963e7e3204.iso.bz2 file
has sha2-512 sum of:

fdd73ded92d912bebb11b7bf301fcf6c362c1df28d9d3b0ddb73a19ceaf2a1dfd5afc27f4f5a0330201f62004d86c84bc704dfcba0078bdfbc6ebcff6f14b1d3

--
cinap



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* Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs
  2016-09-02 17:41                 ` cinap_lenrek
@ 2016-09-02 20:54                   ` Adriano Verardo
  2016-09-02 21:09                     ` Bakul Shah
  2016-09-02 21:15                     ` cinap_lenrek
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Adriano Verardo @ 2016-09-02 20:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

cinap_lenrek@felloff.net wrote:
>> I'm sure the problem is the mix "obsolete(Win+VMware) + up-to-date Plan9  distro".
> doubt it. i'm actually testing every release on a windows 7 with vmware
> doing a install from scratch, then building amd64 on the newly installed
> system and reboot into 64 bit kernel as a regression test.
Ah. I was convinced that Wint-32 were no more used in the USA.
Stating that you do these tests, the problem is certainly here.
I'm using win7, 32 bit, VMware 9.0.4.

What VMare version do you use ?

What about VirtualBox or other VMs ?

adriano





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* Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs
  2016-09-02 20:54                   ` Adriano Verardo
@ 2016-09-02 21:09                     ` Bakul Shah
  2016-09-02 21:15                       ` stanley lieber
  2016-09-02 21:15                     ` cinap_lenrek
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Bakul Shah @ 2016-09-02 21:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

On Fri, 02 Sep 2016 22:54:38 +0200 Adriano Verardo <adr.verardo@gmail.com> wrote:
> What about VirtualBox or other VMs ?

VirtualBox has worked well for me though I haven't installed
plan9 lately.



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* Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs
  2016-09-02 20:54                   ` Adriano Verardo
  2016-09-02 21:09                     ` Bakul Shah
@ 2016-09-02 21:15                     ` cinap_lenrek
  2016-09-03  1:50                       ` Adriano Verardo
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: cinap_lenrek @ 2016-09-02 21:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> What VMare version do you use ?

VMware Player 6.0.2 build-1744117. win7 64 bit.

i used to have virtual box for testing too but when i tried to update it,
it stoped working and killed all my network connections during the installation.
so i got angry and removed it from the computer. it was a whack the mole
game anyway... each new version was broken in a different way and performance
is bad.

but what difference does it make? you have to look at the evidence, not
version numbers that dont tell you anything.

--
cinap



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* Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs
  2016-09-02 21:09                     ` Bakul Shah
@ 2016-09-02 21:15                       ` stanley lieber
  2016-09-02 22:00                         ` Bakul Shah
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: stanley lieber @ 2016-09-02 21:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 02 Sep 2016 22:54:38 +0200 Adriano Verardo
><adr.verardo@gmail.com> wrote:
>> What about VirtualBox or other VMs ?
>
>VirtualBox has worked well for me though I haven't installed
>plan9 lately.

http://fqa.9front.org/fqa3.html#3.3

sl





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* Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs
  2016-09-02 21:15                       ` stanley lieber
@ 2016-09-02 22:00                         ` Bakul Shah
  2016-09-02 22:08                           ` Kurt H Maier
  2016-09-02 23:02                           ` Lyndon Nerenberg
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Bakul Shah @ 2016-09-02 22:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

On Fri, 02 Sep 2016 17:15:32 EDT stanley lieber <sl@9front.org> wrote:
> Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 02 Sep 2016 22:54:38 +0200 Adriano Verardo
> ><adr.verardo@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> What about VirtualBox or other VMs ?
> >
> >VirtualBox has worked well for me though I haven't installed
> >plan9 lately.
>
> http://fqa.9front.org/fqa3.html#3.3

Don't keep updating it. Problem solved!

However, if anyone makes plan9 work under bhyve or khyve I'm
interested.

Separately, an interesting project would be to implement plan9
sandboxes (ala linux "containers" or freebsd "jails)" so that
one can easily set up a cluster of plan9 boxes.



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* Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs
  2016-09-02 22:00                         ` Bakul Shah
@ 2016-09-02 22:08                           ` Kurt H Maier
  2016-09-02 23:01                             ` Bakul Shah
  2016-09-02 23:02                           ` Lyndon Nerenberg
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Kurt H Maier @ 2016-09-02 22:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

On Fri, Sep 02, 2016 at 03:00:26PM -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
>
> Don't keep updating it. Problem solved!

Our problem was that each individual user who reported a problem on vbox
was running an apparently unique version -- I don't think we ever had
two trouble reports that matched each other, or two trouble reports
about the same version of vbox...

> However, if anyone makes plan9 work under bhyve or khyve I'm
> interested.

I'm also interested in this, and every once in a while I test it out.
Nothing worth reporting yet, but once I get something running I'll
report it here.

> Separately, an interesting project would be to implement plan9
> sandboxes (ala linux "containers" or freebsd "jails)" so that
> one can easily set up a cluster of plan9 boxes.

mycroft's ANTS tools can be used to do this very effectively.  He's
written copious documentation, including step-by-step walkthroughs, that
cover doing just this.  I've got his code preserved, but I need to
gather up the various texts and stash them in a repo alongside the code.

khm



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* Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs
  2016-09-02 22:08                           ` Kurt H Maier
@ 2016-09-02 23:01                             ` Bakul Shah
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Bakul Shah @ 2016-09-02 23:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

On Fri, 02 Sep 2016 15:08:16 PDT Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net> wrote:
>
> > However, if anyone makes plan9 work under bhyve or khyve I'm
> > interested.
>
> I'm also interested in this, and every once in a while I test it out.
> Nothing worth reporting yet, but once I get something running I'll
> report it here.

Great!

> > Separately, an interesting project would be to implement plan9
> > sandboxes (ala linux "containers" or freebsd "jails)" so that
> > one can easily set up a cluster of plan9 boxes.
>
> mycroft's ANTS tools can be used to do this very effectively.  He's
> written copious documentation, including step-by-step walkthroughs, that
> cover doing just this.  I've got his code preserved, but I need to
> gather up the various texts and stash them in a repo alongside the code.

[I had meant to post the following on that silly "9fans dead
 or alive" thread. Better late than never!]

What I want is to have multiple plan9 virtual nodes (each with
its own IP address and a full set of udp/tcp ports and network
interfaces and potentially independent storage and each can be
started up/shutdown independently).  For the experts this is
probably trivially doable given plan9 namespaces.

The idea is to be able to easily bring up a cluster of nodes
providing a set of services. Example: a venti backup server.
a source mirror server etc.

Going one step further, a deployment program should be able to
read a single config file, build or pull in all the required
binaries from some standard repo, add in storage, data files
etc. and stand up all the services.

I was thinking that a platform-as-a-service setup can make
application services largely independent of the underluing OS.
Particularly if they are built in Go!



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* Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs
  2016-09-02 22:00                         ` Bakul Shah
  2016-09-02 22:08                           ` Kurt H Maier
@ 2016-09-02 23:02                           ` Lyndon Nerenberg
  2016-09-03 17:15                             ` Bakul Shah
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Lyndon Nerenberg @ 2016-09-02 23:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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> On Sep 2, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com> wrote:
> 
> Separately, an interesting project would be to implement plan9
> sandboxes (ala linux "containers" or freebsd "jails)" so that
> one can easily set up a cluster of plan9 boxes.

Namespaces would make that an easy application, no?  There is no required user/kernel interface in 9P, so why not?

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* Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs
  2016-09-02 21:15                     ` cinap_lenrek
@ 2016-09-03  1:50                       ` Adriano Verardo
  2016-09-03  6:52                         ` hiro
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Adriano Verardo @ 2016-09-03  1:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

cinap_lenrek@felloff.net wrote:
>> What VMare version do you use ?
> VMware Player 6.0.2 build-1744117. win7 64 bit.
> ....
> but what difference does it make? you have to look at the evidence, not
> version numbers that dont tell you anything.
Absolutely true, it makes no difference. But I'm trying to fulfill a
crazy request
of a client ... being sure that he will throw away all old stuff in a
few months.
So I'm looking for a whatever, time inexpensive solution.

Anyway, as you suggested, the problem seems to be the downloaded bz2.

Downloaded again. SHA not verified
Repeated 4 times the install procedure following - slavishly - my notes
with several changes in the virtual hw config.
Perfectly up and running 4 times in a few minutes each.

For who could find it useful, this works

  * Windows 7 *32 bit*
  * VMware 9.0.4
  * 9front-5368.b4963e7e3204.iso.bz2
  * cwfs64x
  * VM: 1GB Ram, 8GB IDE HD, mbr, USB2.0, NIC

Thanks a lot to cinap and all other 9fans who kindly spent their time to
help.

adriano




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* Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs
  2016-09-03  1:50                       ` Adriano Verardo
@ 2016-09-03  6:52                         ` hiro
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: hiro @ 2016-09-03  6:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

tip: use torrent next time. should be faster and there's an inbuilt
integrity test.

On 9/3/16, Adriano Verardo <adr.verardo@gmail.com> wrote:
> cinap_lenrek@felloff.net wrote:
>>> What VMare version do you use ?
>> VMware Player 6.0.2 build-1744117. win7 64 bit.
>> ....
>> but what difference does it make? you have to look at the evidence, not
>> version numbers that dont tell you anything.
> Absolutely true, it makes no difference. But I'm trying to fulfill a
> crazy request
> of a client ... being sure that he will throw away all old stuff in a
> few months.
> So I'm looking for a whatever, time inexpensive solution.
>
> Anyway, as you suggested, the problem seems to be the downloaded bz2.
>
> Downloaded again. SHA not verified
> Repeated 4 times the install procedure following - slavishly - my notes
> with several changes in the virtual hw config.
> Perfectly up and running 4 times in a few minutes each.
>
> For who could find it useful, this works
>
>   * Windows 7 *32 bit*
>   * VMware 9.0.4
>   * 9front-5368.b4963e7e3204.iso.bz2
>   * cwfs64x
>   * VM: 1GB Ram, 8GB IDE HD, mbr, USB2.0, NIC
>
> Thanks a lot to cinap and all other 9fans who kindly spent their time to
> help.
>
> adriano
>
>
>



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* Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs
  2016-09-02 23:02                           ` Lyndon Nerenberg
@ 2016-09-03 17:15                             ` Bakul Shah
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Bakul Shah @ 2016-09-03 17:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs


> On Sep 2, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg <lyndon@orthanc.ca> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Separately, an interesting project would be to implement plan9
>> sandboxes (ala linux "containers" or freebsd "jails)" so that
>> one can easily set up a cluster of plan9 boxes.
> 
> Namespaces would make that an easy application, no?  There is no required user/kernel interface in 9P, so why not?

Namespaces solve part of the problem. For better isolation you'd need more. Can multiple sandboxes share the same physical network while maintaining their own IP address? Can one sandbox hog all memory or all CPUs or all network bandwidth or all disk space? 



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* Re: [9fans] Plan9 and VMs
  2016-09-02  2:49   ` Adriano Verardo
@ 2021-11-21 21:35     ` Conor Williams
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Conor Williams @ 2021-11-21 21:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

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hi adr, did you get this going... i have a multitude wayz of running
different flavas of Plan 9 --- which is now actually nearing (finally)
competion and raking in the big bucks (euro airgead) as you call
it...
/c:21November2021@9pm approximately
ps: what ever happened to the glenda space man (not in the tin
can[

On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 2:51 AM Adriano Verardo <adr.verardo@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Julius Schmidt wrote:
> > 9front works fine in vmware. I've never had a problem (including a
> > very recent install at work).
> > How exactly does it fail in your case?
> Install seems to finish regularly, but reboot is from the .iso again.
> Tried to unlink the .iso, as usual on physical boxes etc etc
> I'm sure it's a my mistake but I dont see where/what.
> Using vmware 9.0.4 (free to change) under Win7-32 bit (constrain)
> adriano
> >
> > aiju
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Sep 2016, Adriano Verardo wrote:
> >
> >> In the last two years I've very little used Plan9.
> >> All appls I made for clients work, solved all problem thanks to 9fans
> >> help, clients don't ask for improvements, ...
> >>
> >> Now I must install Plan9 in a VM. I'm testing VMware, but it is not a
> >> constraint.
> >> The Bell distro work fine, all others I tried fail during install.
> >> And, worse than this, I see just now that Bell non longer support
> >> Plan9 since Jan 2015.
> >>
> >> So, what's the best Win7-32/64 VM product for Plan9 ? What Plan9 ?
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>

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